QB Recruiting/Player Movement/Depth Chart

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by X Misn Tx, Jan 21, 2017.

  1. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    http://www.burntorangenation.com/20...onghorns-quarterbacks-tom-herman-sam-ehlinger

    Interestingly, the article talks about
    1 Not taking any graduate transfers or JUCO QBs
    2 Moving Heard back to QB
    3 Possibly taking 2 QBs next year

    So Beuchele/Ehlinger/Merrick/Heard...

    Will Heard want to move positions AGAIN? Especially if Ehlinger is the best "fit?"

    Doesn't moving Heard, and if Ehlinger is a "great fit," make Beuchele our 3rd string QB? Then taking 2 QBs next year. I hope Beu doesn't get screwed.

    I won't disagree with the moves; I just want good things for our freshman QB who was a great Horn this season.
     
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  2. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    I'm not as concerned with this position as most. TH was OC/QB coach from 2005-14, winning assistant of the year at tOSU.

    Beck has been an OC/QB coach the last 6 seasons at Neb and tOSU.

    We're loaded with two coaches who are experts at honing QB skills.

    These guys have worthy talent on hand to mold specifically into their system...

    Buechele - Rivals #5 dual-threat QB, Elite 11
    Ehlinger - Rivals #5 dual-threat QB, Elite 11
    Heard - Rivals #4 dual-threat QB, Elite 11

    Herman/Beck are a highly competent QB coaching duo and together will be far superior at QB grooming than what we had the last 3 years.

    Give these two QB whispers the highly talented players above and all will be just fine.
     
  3. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    I cannot find anything in this analysis to disagree with. In fact I would posit they are superior QB coaches to anybody on staff at UT ever, though I will to listen to arguments in favor of Mackovic if anybody cares to make one.
     
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  4. Hoop

    Hoop 500+ Posts

    I think what this says is that there aren't any JC transfers that are better than what we have now. Buechele is ok, but he's not dual threat. Ehlinger is dual threat, but has been stung by the injury bug (and will be a freshman). Merrick is a guy on the roster that I know nothing about. Heard is a dual treat QB with more legs than arms and he wasn't taking QB reps last year. If they are seriously talking about moving him back, I'll back the coaching staff. A true dual threat QB is hell on a defense.

    Sadly, QB is likely to be a problem for us again this year. As far as Mackovic is concerned, I'd take James Brown over any of these guys at this point.
     
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  5. Galvestonhorn

    Galvestonhorn 250+ Posts

    Heard is going to be the wild card. Wouldn't surprise me if he's the guy and does very well like Greg Ward, Jr did at UH.
     
  6. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Buechele is a passionate student of the game who was very good for a true freshman and should not be doubted as a returning starter. He knows his position, is an accurate passer and fast enough to make the defense pay when he has to run. He can and will lead a versatile offense.

    UT has plenty of guys with wicked power, speed and moves in the open field. Buechele is not one of them ... but he'll get the ball in their hands of playmakers where they can make plays. Heard is fast and elusive. I don't mind if he takes a few snaps in the wildcat, but that guy is not the one to lead a versatile offense on an every down, every game basis. He can be a terrific slot receiver at NCAA and NFL.
     
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  7. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    I have no idea why people are discounting what Buechele did this past year, or what he is capable of doing with his next THREE years at Texas. The dude was an 18y/o true freshman playing the most difficult and most cerebral position on the field. He picked up the increased speed and nuances of playing at the next level very quickly and very well (similar to another Longhorn great, Colt). Yes, the playbook was limited for him, as it would be for any true freshman QB. But the defenses knew that as well, were keying on that, and Buechele still did just fine. There's no reason not to think that he will get better and better. Untill he shows signs of significant regression, he's our best QB. Just my two cents.
     
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  8. LikeMike

    LikeMike 500+ Posts

    May have been uninspired play calling, but Boo regressed significantly during the last third of the season.
     
  9. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    Respectfully disagree. I believe the dip in Buechele's production and effectiveness can be directly attributed to bland play calling, and a very basic offense featuring only a handful of running plays and a handful of passing plays. Very easy to scheme for defensively. Some of the reason to run a basic offense may have been by design given that we had a freshman QB under center, thus the blame gets placed on Buechele. In fairness, I do think that there were games that Boo's accuracy wasn't there. But all-in-all, he did a very good job last season. Buechele by all accounts is a bright young man and has a decent arm. Why Gilbert didn't continue to expand the offense as the year went on is a mystery. Anybody have any insight as to why not?
     
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  10. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    I think it is because Boo got banged up and never really got back to 100%. This is pure speculation on my part, but he lost effectiveness after taking a number of big, big hits for a smaller guy.
     
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  11. Galvestonhorn

    Galvestonhorn 250+ Posts

    That is exactly right
     
  12. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    yeah, this is my thought too.

    i think he did have a harder time later in the season. not only did he get banged up...at 18yo his body might have still been adjusting to playing a man's sized game. he may have worn out a bit too. defenses might also have caught up to his and gilbert's tendencies. my guess is that it's some part of all three (injury, fatigue, defensive adjustments). i am very much ok with this 18yo's overall performance though. i want to see what he can do next year.
     
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  13. LikeMike

    LikeMike 500+ Posts

    It'seems truly a shame that the best QB at a major (used to be top 5) university over the last 4 years was McCoy's little brother. Boo does not run with any authority, Heard is a disaster if he has to throw the ball, Merrick is a mystery and we now have a new freshman to throw under the bus. I know we have no choice in the short run. Our previous two coaches let us down. Hope the new guys will figure it out. Will it take two or three more years?
     
  14. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    No question we've had serious problems at QB the last 4-5 years. But the new staff is very good at developing QB's. I think Boo was remarkable last year considering that he was an undersized freshman, but, even more so, both his OC/QB coach, and the O Line coach were new, which meant no one on the offense was familiar with the system. Every player starts at ground zero.

    Boo has talent, accuracy, good arm and is a positive influence. We need someone to step up who is on the team now and compete to give us depth. Sam is a fine, fine player coming in as freshman. He may compete for playing time, but I would prefer to see Boo gain 20 lbs and take over. Give Sam some time to learn the system, and grow into the college game.

    I think Boo will get it done this year. I don't think it will take 2-3 more years.
     
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  15. HornSwoggler

    HornSwoggler Horn Fan

    I agree Cary. Buechele did a very good job being a freshman in a developing offense that for some reason did not develop much in the 2nd half of the season. I don't know what caused the decision to avoid using the middle of the field in the passing game but the offense was pretty predictable. Buechele has a great touch on the long ball, keeps his wits about him, scrambles well but needs to beef up and also needs more variety in the offense to keep the D off balance. Better receiver routes and ability to shed a defender would help a ton, too.
     
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  16. Godz40acres

    Godz40acres Happy Feller

    From this post in the Winter Workouts thread, S/C Coach Yancy McKnight:

    On what his plans with Shane Buechele are: We’re going to work on his lower body, get him stronger in his lower body. That’s the one thing with a lot of quarterbacks. I know with Greg [Ward, Jr.] at Houston that he was a 162 guy when we got there and I think we finished at 188 with him. He’s 5’10”, and he’s a strong, strong kid. He was pretty durable this last year. That was what we challenged him with because the year before he was dinged up. I know Buechele kind of had the same thing last year. He got tagged around a little bit. That’s what you’re going in the weight room, you’re trying to build that armor, and trying to get them a little more durable when taking some shots here and there. I think the lower body stuff with the QBs is so, so important because that’s all their power and their torso whip from the throws and everything. You’ve got to hammer the legs with those guys and the power base. [Upper body] is the whip. That’s torso rotation, medball work, band work that they’ve got to do and continue to work on that motion. That’s post your point. I’m not a big press guy that much. We do a lot more back stuff than we do anything front side. The quarterback is a tricky one because you want him grinding right in the middle of it with all the other guys because he needs to be that guy. He’s got to be tough and he’s got to be an alpha, and he’s got to be grimey.
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  17. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    "Beefing up": this is exactly what Colt needed to do after his freshman year, did do, and turned into one of the top college QBs at the time. Many positive similarities between Colt and Buechele. Adding some bulk and strength will turn Buechele into a beast of a QB.
     
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  18. Omniscient.one

    Omniscient.one 500+ Posts

    Anybody thinking heard beats out buechele, lol.
     
  19. LikeMike

    LikeMike 500+ Posts

    Amazing that Texas and California produce the most NFL QBs, by far, and the leading college in the state can claim non of them. Why have we failed to recruit these guys?
     
  20. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

  21. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Boo will be a very solid QB next year and beyond. Get ready for a lot of crow eating around here after reading some of these comments.

    Claiming his ceiling isn't very high due to his production in an 18 year old body with true Freshman mental processing of the college game is naive.

    The kid was a true Frosh and already put up respectable numbers...

    60.4%, 2,958 yards, 7.6 y/a, 21 TD's, 11 Int's, 136 QBR

    SB's first year out of HS wasn't that far off from Colt's Soph season...

    65.1%, 3,303 yards, 7.8 y/a, 22 TD's, 18 Int's, 139 QBR

    SB is a very talented QB who now has priceless experience. Natural growth, Herman, Beck, and McKnight will develop him much further by Sept.

    Worry about the back-up role, the starter will be lighting it up.
     
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  22. LikeMike

    LikeMike 500+ Posts

    If only he could match McCoy in wins!
     
  23. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    That is exactly what I thought about Boo down the stretch.
     
  24. beijinghorn1

    beijinghorn1 500+ Posts

    Why doesn't anyone point out that the offense was forced to slow down due to painfully bad defense. Once this happened, Boo suddenly became "banged" up and Gilbert became too predictable.
     
  25. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    thankfully you just did :fiestanana:
     
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  26. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    It's what we do here...
     
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