They were talking about Baylor today, and the host said "Let's not forget that fifteen years ago, a Baylor basketball player murdered his teammate, and the coach tried to cover it up. "....Finebaum replied that this is an illustration that the school will never change, and the program needs to be shut down.
If the current mess at BU doesn’t warrant the death penalty then nothing does. I wonder if there isn’t an actual criminal element to the behavior of Briles and others.
The criminal case should be brought against the campus and Waco PD if they are found in collusion. People should go to jail. AD clearly violated title 9. If Baylor receives state funds of any kind or tax credits, they should be suspended. This is worse than at PSU. It went all the way to the top and involved campus and city police.
The Big 12 needs to man up and show that cesspool the exit door from the conference. It is absolutely embarrassing to be anywhere near them.
Yes but none of the student-athletes who were raping women were being PAID to do so. So their amateur eligibility status wasn't impacted. So long as that's all in good shape, the NCAA really doesn't have a dog in this fight...
This continuing Bailor saga might make a fascinating movie or mini-series one day. Among you that are more informed about legal matters than I am, a serious question: What party would have jurisdiction / would pursue this as a criminal case? The FBI, the State of Texas, McLennan County, other? What would finally trigger a criminal investigation in the Bailer case? Would it take criminal lawsuits by the victims / parents instead of a civil case or something else? Like State Penn, the NCAA is toothless from a legal standpoint.
Problem is that it is impossible to "man up" when there isn't a single pair of balls in Las Colinas. As for the jurisdiction, a single Texas Ranger needs to be assigned. Bring in the feds, 5-7 years, several million dollars, ZERO resolution or convictions.
ESPN 30 For 30: "Baylor EmBearassing" or "Don't Drink the Water in Waco -- Branch Dividians and Murder/Rape at Baylor."
Covering up, conspiring to cover up, failure to report a sex assault (particularly a minor), or deliberately preventing a sex assault victim from reaching the correct legal channels to report would be considered by most courts as obstruction of justice and criminal (I would think). I'm surprised that Briles, members of the coaching staff, and other athletic department officials haven't had criminal charges brought against them yet. Of course there is always the burden of proof. But there seems to be mountains of incriminating evidence. Any lawyers care to weigh-in and enlighten us?
Is rape a crime........ yes. Was this crime committed...... yes. Were attempts made to cover this up...... yes. No brainer. That's as black and white as it gets to me.
One would assume our state Attorney General would want to level set his good university's name by prosecuting this clearly legal matter. Hopefully he isn't marching lock step with the most hypocritical university in the history of hypocrites.
McLennan County for the assaults; Texas Rangers for Waco and Baylor PD's; US DoJ if civil rights or texts/emails across state lines.
The offense of being on NCAA probation and committing another offense merits the death penalty. The aggies could have been given the death penalty when RC was coach. I don't think the 2nd offense was too seveer so they did not get the death penalty. The talking heads have said that the NCAA would probably never give the death penalty again after SMU. Penn State;s offenses were as bad a Baylor, probably, but they did not get the death penalty.
I just don't get it. This is not meant to be political commentary, but sexual assault became a HUGE political issue over the last several years. The gov lowered the burden of proof highly in favor of alleged victims and public outrage over accusations popped up everywhere. Duke Lacrosse, mattress girl, etc. Then Bailor is exposed as the poster child for their athletes actually committing these crimes and the school covering them up on a massive level. And nothing happens but media coverage, resignations, and firings? Life goes on with recruiting and competitive football pretty much like any other team in transition. They'd be royally screwed if it was exposed they paid big dollars for multiple players to sign there over the last many years. Instead their players did FAR WORSE by raping girls and ruining lives at an unbelievable rate and it was clearly covered up by the school, likely enabling more preventable rapes. And they skate by with a self-imposed slap on the wrist that allows them to avoid serious football-related punishment? Where are the Feminist protests? Where's the overwhelming Women's Rights demands to punish these scoundrels? It just doesn't add up in today's political climate.
Perhaps our university, the flagship of the conference, should take a public stand. I realize that doing so would be extraordinarily controversial but, well, that's what leaders do. Of course, there is a legal risk that is not inconsequential. But if the Big 12 or the NCAA doesn't or won't step up, again, perhaps we should.
I think the NCAA, once again, kind of saw the error of their ways regarding Penn State, and wouldn't levy that type of punishment to a program for something that the guilty parties are no longer involved in. If Briles et al were still pulling the strings at Baylor, I think they might get a season ban. But since everyone has been replaced there, including the President, AD, etc., there's not going to be a death penalty. My guess is that they get a USC-type punishment. Recruiting trip limits, can only sign 15-20 instead of 25 per year for the next couple, bowl ban for a year. Briles and maybe even some of the assistants will get show-cause penalties. That kind of stuff. But that kind of ruling might not come down for a year or three.
it seems like some of the BOR are still in place and trying to spoon out just enough information (cover up what isn't absolutely necessary) to deal with the multiple and legally different claims. The NCAA is likely to be replaced by something else in the coming years. Why would the BIG 12 tarnish the remaining schools by being associated with a wounded, dying and corrupt program when the conference or middle programs need to get stronger to keep from getting left out in the next round of re alignment?
I'm with Brad and the puzzling state of this; why no social outcry? The lack of NCAA action I would anticipate bringing forth demonstrations but I hear of nothing. Flabbergasts me to say the least.
Title IX issues most likely would be a federal matter. The actual criminal acts committed would be under the state of Texas, unless he act resulted in a federal crime committed as well. Only my thoughts as of now, but as we have seen lately, this cesspool has a life of its own and is growing. No telling when it will end, but I believe there is more to come out.
I agree, I don't like it when they punish a school for the sins of individuals. Too many innocent athletes get punished for that. Not to mention the fans. NCAA should at the very least investigate and BAN any coach who enabled this culture from ever coaching college athletics again. They can do that. Wasn't Pete Carroll banned from coaching in college for recruiting violations? The NCAA is a shameful organization.
There are actually occasions where the same act can be prosecuted at BOTH the State and federal level...once had a parole client who committed a carjacking and was sentenced at both levels. Seems to me the federal charge was related to commerce or perhaps even the weapon while the State charge was a simple Aggravated Robbery conviction. The question with prosecuting at the State level is whether a McLennan County jury would give enough time for the actions if they even CONVICT for the conduct...
