The First 100 days

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    A whole lotta twitter blue checkmarks were swearing before today that the Georgia Special was a "referendum on Trump"
    But Ossoff actually underperformed Hillary in that district. They paid somewhere between $25 to to $40M only to lose by a bigger margin than Hillary did
    Today these same good folks have dropped it and are onto something else. Like it never happened




     
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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  4. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I wonder if the Dems ever get dizzy from all the spinning? Or after spinning so much they just get use to it?
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Dems = aggy
    Election Scale --
    10-pt GOP win = moral victory for Dems
    6-pt GOP win = narrowly avoided humiliation for GOP
    1-pt Dem win = mandate for total power
     
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  7. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    All that referendum on Trump stuff was a clearly coordinated talking point. Hey maybe they're right. Maybe instead it was a referendum on vile lying extremists who lost IN SPITE OF TRUMP. Maybe it was a referendum on Sally Kohn. Think about it; Trump clearly is a clown and has lots of problems and STILL they can't beat him.
     
  8. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    And it's statements like this that won him the presidency and keep the winning streak alive and well. :thumbup: Thanks for insuring the MAGA platform stays primed for battle.

    The ones failing to win back control are calling DT a clown. Those slapping them back like chumps are backing a POTUS who's taking actions to protect our citizens and make their lives better through policies aimed to put the prosperity of Americans first. :usa:
     
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  9. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I personally think he is a clown. That is different than believing in the Conservative platform of which I have much sympathy. But I am a Democrat (not a Liberal) and there are things that I do not like coming from the right (religion) and there are things coming out of his mouth that make me shake my head because so much of it is unnecessary.
     
  10. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    I don't disagree with you here. But his mouth was also running rampant for decades all the while being lauded as the icon of American business success.

    An inept clown doesn't amass an international fortune in a hands-on, human-dependent industry like real estate development.

    After several decades in the limelight, no one ever claimed he was a racist or an incompetent leader until he became a threat to challenge the left's political power.

    Most didn't vote for DT the reality-TV star who purposely acted out for ratings and exposure. They voted for the wildly successful CEO who knows how to get things done and has a burning loyalty to America which is reflected in his platform's policies.

    I'm more than willing to ignore the boasting and bluster for two reasons:

    1) Political correctness has become a cancer to this country. Even though off-putting at times, his direct, 'pull no punches' approach flies squarely in the face of PC bs.

    2) It's wise to judge a person off what they do and not what they say. So far his presidential actions taken to bolster American security, economy, rule of law, traditional American values, etc are a monumental improvement over the recent past, IMO.
     
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The sea levels will rise due to this election

    (from the tears)
     
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  12. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Well there you go, time for some new glasses to see the actually policy results.
     
  13. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    I think he is a clown too. But I agree with much of his agenda and am happy that we don't have to deal with Hillary Clinton, who is an evil, self-serving clown in the Steven King or Francis Underwood mold.

    Didn't think any of you still existed in the Dem party. You must be lonely.
     
  14. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    You have a point. Trump has been generally shrewd as a real estate investor. He's had some blunder's, but has generally made good deals and surrounded himself with competent people. But a real estate investor can be totally autonomous. His current job is more of a leadership position. He has been clown-like in this job and caused himself a lot of trouble. Plus he is not bound by principal and is trying to stick us with Obamacare light.
     
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  15. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Missing the big picture. 1000 times better than Hillary.
     
  16. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    I am very happy that Trump defeated Hitlery. She would have been horrible for all of us. But Trump is already adding to an out of control debt and making government healthcare more permanent. I can't support a somewhat slower expansion of government. I want my liberty back.
     
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  17. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I agree it was a referendum on Trump, and as the elections show the people are speaking loud and clear. The MSM has been painting a picture about Trump that doesn't even come close to reality. Just like the polling doesn't match the actual voting. All we need to know is the truth is seeing the election results.
     
  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Trump says the Democrats should keep Pelosi and Chuckles in charge to help the GOP

     
  19. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Policies like this are exactly why DT (and his disregard for PC backlash) was the right choice to resurrect American prosperity.

    Below is DT's proposed new policy for legal immigration.

    Trump: Immigrants Should Have To Wait 5 Years To Use Welfare

    Dems always use the same "this is not who we are" and "America was built by immigrants" argument to support open borders, which includes entitlements.

    The truth is it's completely inaccurate. Only in recent times are legal immigrants shielded from the 'sink or swim' price of access to the land of opportunity.

    But this is what plagues us today..."The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) issued a report in 2015 that revealed 51 percent of immigrant households used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households."

    America was built by immigrants, yes. Immigrants who worked hard and sacrificed to sustain themselves with no safety net. Although there were those within their immigrant community who chose to offer assistance in desperate times. There was no gov fallback to allow lazy and dependent behavior while robbing citizens of their hard earned money.

    And through their difficult personal sacrifices those who made it developed strong worth and love for their new land and became true Americans.
     
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  20. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    As Milton Friedman once said, "Immigration to jobs is one thing, but immigration to welfare is quite another, and you cannot have both."
     
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  21. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I love the sentiment but doesn't this policy already exist. Seems like he's just using rhetoric to gin up the base. I don't think there's any real new policy substance to the hoopla.
     
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  22. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    It's highly inaccurate to assume his proposal won't have a drastic effect if passed into law and enforced.

    The base law has existed since 1996. Both Bush and Obama strongly diluted it with multiple added exceptions and poorly enforced remaining restrictions.

    If POTUS has no will to enforce immigration restrictions, they're all but irrelevant. Well defined immigration laws were on the books and Obama chose to ignore them. Bush was certainly liberal on immigration.

    DT's proposal is to strengthen the original law by reducing exempt classes, increasing fed assistance categories that are off limits, and then fully enforce the updated, new Congressional law...

    Trump's proposal would build on the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, which allows federal authorities to deport immigrants who become public dependents within five years of their arrival. Many of that law’s provisions were rolled back during the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations, but Trump's proposal would make more categories of federal benefits off-limits to immigrants.

    Trump's proposal would also prevent the admission of people who are likely to become so-called "public charges" within five years of their arrival. The concept of "public charge" has been part of U.S. immigration law for over a century. It allows the government to bar entry to individuals who are likely to seek public assistance. Trump is expected to propose toughening up the rules regarding “public charge” and ensuring that they are enforced.

    The administration circulated a draft executive order to make Trump's proposed changes earlier this year. However, Trump's remarks Wednesday indicated that he wants Congress to codify his plan into law.
     
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  23. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    good deal. As you can imagine, many other sources pegged it as "much ado about nothing". Appreciate the scoping.
     
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    LATimes - "Number of refugees admitted to U.S. drops by almost half"

    "The number of refugees admitted to the United States was cut by nearly half in the first three months of the Trump administration compared with the final three months of the Obama presidency, reflecting the new president's skepticism toward immigration.

    Government statistics released Friday showed that more than 25,000 refugees were permitted to enter and reside in the United States at the end of the Obama administration. In the initial months under President Trump, the number fell to 13,000.

    The statistics were released by the Department of Homeland Security, based on information supplied by the State Department.

    Countries of origin were largely unchanged. In both periods, two-thirds of the arrivals came from five countries: the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Syria, Iraq, Somalia and Myanmar.

    Refugees from two of those countries — Syria and Somalia — would have been banned under Trump's executive order against entries from certain Muslim-majority nations, but federal courts have blocked the order. Trump's original order covered Iraqis as well, but he omitted Iraq from his revised order.

    The data suggest that the Obama administration, as it was about to turn over power to Trump, significantly stepped up the number of refugees admitted. Arrivals in its final three months reflected an 86% year-over-year increase compared to the same period the previous year......"

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...ees-admitted-to-u-s-1498249611-htmlstory.html
     
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  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    New York times decided to post a full-page rundown of each of Trump's lies and/or gross exaggerations since his inauguration. Of course, this was in the "opinion" section since some of them are debatable.

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    I'm sure his supporters will cheer the lying but if anyone is interest here is the electronic version. They vary from the mundane to his claim of having the biggest inauguration crowd ever to his much more serious yet equally abhorrent claims on the environment.
     
  26. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Where was the list of Obama's Strawmen? Not enough paper?
     
  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Obama told some whoppers like "if you like your health insurance you'll get to keep it" but he was quite a bit more careful with his statements than Trump. That's not to say that he shouldn't have been held more accountable but merely that our current POTUS plays fast and furious with anything resembling reality.
     
  28. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    You clearly don't recall Obama's press conferences and campaign debates where he would whip out a strawman every other paragraph.
     
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  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    You're right. Clearly I've forgotten them although if you have to go back to campaign debates then that points to fewer than "every day for the first 40 days since the inauguration". ;)
     
  30. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Mchammer, Obama didn't even have a smidgen of lies.
     
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