What if it was not the Russians?

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  1. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

  2. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

  3. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    How is this "fake news"? DJT JR., DJT, Kellyanne, etc. have all said that there is nothing to any Russian communications. To say so was dangerous, slanderous, etc. Turns out that not only is there a meeting that is obvious collusion but there's an email chain to document the event. Ironic, huh? The guy checked into Trump Tower on 4 Square! I mean, did they not do it via facebook live? Also, note from the chain that Kushner and Manafort were aware. Also note that DJTJr. spoke on the phone with the guy. Also of interest from news reports is that DJT was in Trump Tower on that day and the Secret Service knew of this meeting. Given that DJT was the only one of the group under their protection at the time why would they have known about it unless he was involved? Also, do you see a world where Jr., Kushner and Manafort go to this meeting with Sr. unaware? That night he spoke about some big Hillary stuff they were working on and would be presenting that next week. Then (I think) they Orlando shooting took place and moved that stuff around.

    I mean, this is a rich smoking gun! It reads like a Nigerian phishing scam. You can't make this stuff up.
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    Good morning

    Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

    The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump—helped along by Aras and Emin.

    What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

    I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

    Best

    Rob Goldstone

    On June 3, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

    Best,

    Don

    Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    To: Donald Trump Jr.

    Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

    Hi Don

    Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info — you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day Best to you and family Rob Goldstone

    On June 6, 2016 at 15:03, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    Rob could we speak now?

    d

    From: Rob Goldstone

    Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:37 PM

    To: Donald Trump Jr.

    Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

    Let me track him down in Moscow

    What number he could call?

    On June 6, 2016 15:38, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    My cell thanks

    d

    On June 6, 2016 at 3:43 p.m., Rob Goldstone wrote:

    Ok he’s on stage in Moscow but should be off within 20 Minutes so I am sure can call Rob

    On Jun 6, 2016, at 16:38, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    Rob thanks for the help.

    D

    On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

    Don

    Hope all is well

    Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

    I believe you are aware of the meeting — and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

    I assume it would be at your office.

    Best

    Rob Goldstone

    On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    How about 3 at our offices? Thanks rob appreciate you helping set it up.

    D

    On June 7, 2016, at 5:19PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

    Perfect… I won’t sit in on the meeting, but will bring them at 3 pm and introduce you etc.

    I will send the names of the two people meeting with you for security when I have them later today.

    best

    Rob

    On Jun 7, 2016, at 18:14, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.

    Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:34 AM

    To: Donald Trump Jr.

    Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

    Good morning,

    Would it be possible to move tomorrow meeting to 4pm as the Russian attorney is in court until 3 i was just informed.

    Best

    Rob

    On June 8, 2016, at 11:15, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

    Yes Rob I could do that unless they wanted to do 3 today instead … just let me know and ill lock it in either way.

    d

    From: Rob Goldstone

    Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:18 AM

    To: Donald Trump Jr.

    Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

    They can’t do today as she hasn’t landed yet from Moscow 4pm is great tomorrow.

    Best

    Rob

    From: Donald Trump Jr.

    Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:03PM

    To: Jared Kushner; Paul Manafort

    Subject: FW: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

    Meeting got moved to 4 tomorrow at my offices.

    Best,

    Don
     
  4. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

  5. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

  6. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    If I were working for the Trump folks I'd be arguing against the use of the term "fake news". It's so close to lugenpresse that it's a little spooky.
     
  7. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

  8. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Baloney.
     
  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Obvious openness to collude?

    There is fire right now as the Trump campaign has transitioned from "we didn't collude" to "this is politics as usual" meaning everyone colludes. What was lost in the recent news is that a Trump campaign associated 3rd party company left all their voter analytics exposed to anyone who found it through lax security. This exposed voter information for 10's of millions of voters. More precisely, this information could have been used to target the misinformation/bonified "fake news" to voters. Of course, you'd have to know where to go to find this information if someone wanted to leverage it, that is someone other than the Trump Campaign. Jared Kusher was in charge of the Trump Campaigns voter analytics operation.
     
  10. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Offer is for "official Russian documents" and a meeting with "The Russian government attorney flying in from Moscow". His response: "I'd love it". Then 3 hours after the meeting dad promises stuff on the Russians and Hillary. Yeah, nothing to see here.....
     
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If it was collusion, it was collusion to uncover illicit Russian-DNC-Hill'16 collusion
     
  13. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    I admit I barely pay attention, but I read that email exchange. First of all, yes it sounds like Nigerian phishing. Second, it sounds like the trump people and the Russian people don't know each other at all and have no line of communication at all, certainly not that they are all lined up to collude to rig a US election (isn't that the base allegation?). So is the collusion that Trump's people were willing to hear bad things about HRC from a Russian source?

    Is this email exchange the high water mark of evidence that the Russians interfered in our election, which is repeated as if proved? Obviously it is zero evidence of that.

    Is it an election rules violation? Is it a legal violation? What does this represent?
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Speaking of the unmasking by Team Obama, looks like Samantha Powers also got in on the fun --

    Power appears to be central to efforts by top Obama administration officials to identify individuals named in classified intelligence community reports related to Trump and his presidential transition team, according to multiple sources.

    The names of Trump allies in the raw intelligence reports were leaked to the press in what many in Congress and the current administration claim is an attempt by Obama allies and former officials to damage the White House.

    The House Intelligence Committee, which is spearheading the investigation into these efforts, has issued subpoenas for Power and other top Obama administration figures, including former national security adviser Susan Rice, as part of congressional efforts to determine the source of these leaks.

    Power’s role in this unmasking effort is believed to be particularly questionable given her position as a the U.N. ambassador, a post that does not typically require such sensitive unmasking activities, according to former U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the matter.

    “Unmasking is not a regular occurrence—absolutely not a weekly habit. It is rare, even at the National Security Council, and ought to be rarer still for a U.N. ambassador,” according to one former senior U.S. official who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon.

    “The subpoena for Power suggests just how pervasive the Obama administration’s spying on Americans actually was,” said one veteran GOP political operative who has been briefed on the matter by senior Congressional intelligence officials. “The U.N. ambassador has absolutely no business calling for the quantity and quality of the intelligence that Power seems to have been asking for.”


    http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...central-figure-obama-unmasking-investigation/
     
  15. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    That fits much closer to the legal definition of entrapment rather than collusion.
     
  16. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Agree except for "I'd love it" and the fact that he didn't wear a wire to the meeting after picking up the phone and calling the FBI to ask about direction.
     
  17. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Trump will be impeached. Mueller and his staff will go to every nook and cranny in efforts to link Trump to illegal activity, money laundering, etc. The ironic thing is that Muellar, Comey, and McCabe have been protecting US criminal activity tied to the Clintons for decades who are guilty of the same things they hope to associate with Trump. But the scope of the Clintons in involvement is several magnitudes greater.
     
  18. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    It would make a more significant impact if you'd put "Killery" in there somewhere.
     
  19. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    I prefer Hitlery over Killery. Just my preference.
     
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  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  21. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Dude, I am talking about the rooskie lawyer entrapping DTJ. You cannot entrap when you are on the receiving end of the offer. Duh.
     
  22. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

     
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  23. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Lavrov saying Trump and Putin might've took a p*ss together is classic. :bow:
     
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  24. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Trump's new Director of Communications, Anthony Scaramucci, on Trump in 2015.


    Today he's stated that he apologized to DJT many times over for the comment and regrets he made it. Still interesting to see what someone thought before they work for them.
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Isn't interesting how all the Team Trump people will appear before Senate Jud Com, but all the Obama/Clinton associates won't or vow to plead Da Fif?

    Anyway, hopefully these guys are well on their way to being indicted
    It was Fusion GPS stuff that launched Mueller to begin with



     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Now lefty media thinks Trump's wives are Russian spies

    Nor is lefty media very educated on history or geography
    Neither "Slovakia" and "Slovenia" existed at the time of the "USSR"
    Slovakia was never part of Yugoslavia
    Ivana is Czech

    Furthermore, in my experience at least, most people from the former Eastern Bloc countries can't stand the Russians

    Lastly, how is this not xenophobic?



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  27. Joe Fan

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  28. OrngNugz

    OrngNugz 500+ Posts

  29. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Can't seem to pull up the CNN link above...must be the fake news blocker I installed. :thumbup:
     
  30. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

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