Did Obama Wiretap The Donald?

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Anyone have a better replacement suggestion?



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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    lol -- poor Chuckles

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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Keith Olbermann thinks Donald Trump should be impeached
    Why?
    For agreeing with Keith Olbermann


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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Full Rosenstein letter here


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  5. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    That letter sounds like DOJ is seriously going after HRC to serve the due justice that Comey prevented. :popcorn:
     
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    Some more on the "unmasking" by Obama --

    The Obama Admin originally claimed they they unmasked 654 American citizens in 2015.
    They lied (go figure)
    The actual numbers are beginning to leak out now and the Obama people unmasked 2,232 Americans in 2015. Possibly more.
    And, again, 2015 was a very big year for national political activity

    These people make Richard Nixon look like Mother Theresa
     
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  7. Joe Fan

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  8. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    This is the real collusion with Russia right here. The problem is Obama is a Democrat that got the free pass by the MSM.
     
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  9. Joe Fan

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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Wrote that in April^

    Someone finally looking at this activity

     
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It appears that Ben Rhodes was feeding unmasked Intel directly to the HRC Campaign, with orders coming directly from Susan Rice.

    Indictable?
    If so, how far up the food chain?
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    How many months was it the media mocked Trump's claimed he was wiretapped?
    Seems like it was every day for at least 3 months

     
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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Again, we get back to one of the central questions of this matter -- Did Obama approve this wiretap?
    There seems to be little doubt that he at least effectively did, as Lynch was his person.
    But how personally involved with it was he?
    Will these people every come clean with us on these questions, or will they continue to lie, circle the wagons and plead the 5th?

    An opponent party candidate for president?
    Before, during and after the election?
    Wow
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    So the story goes -- there was surveillance

    Then, according to CNN, "The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence, according to one of the source"

    "The FBI then restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new FISA warrant that extended at least into early this year."

    Guess what?
    The FBI under Comey got that new FISA warrant by using the Christopher Steele/FusionGPS dossier for justification.
    Think about this for a moment -- They found nothing. They gave up. And then, after finding nothing and giving up, the FBI used this discredited dossier to go get another FISA warrant & continue more surveillance.
    All of which was done by Comey who is Bob Mueller's close friend and protege.
    If Manafort committed a crime then so be it. But submitting an affadavit (which is under oath) containing knowingly false evidence to obtain FISA warrant is also a crime.

    I have read (and hope its true) that Grassley/Senate Judiciary Committee are very aware that Comey used the Steele/FusionGPS bogus dossier as justification for FISA warrant.
     
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  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    By the way, it was CNN who originally called Trump's wiretapping allegation "an incendiary idea ... the facts don't back up the conclusion"


     
  16. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    You don't get FISA warrants for nothing. These guys are going down.
     
  17. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    That assumes that federal judges are independent and operate with integrity, which is laughable given the legal system's actions over the past.....well....forever.

    Manafort is a scumbag. So are Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes and his brother, and half of the Obama DOJ. Hopefully, they all get a few years of laundry duty together, but it is unlikely.

    The actions of these losers does provide significant evidence to support the NRA's purpose for existence. You can't count on the justice system to dispense justice.
     
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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    You are incorrect again (go figure). You cant get a FISA warrant for a criminal complaint. If that's what you want, you have to use the normal process and must be able to show probable cause.

    What appears to have happened here is that the Obama people wanted to do some surveiling of their political enemies. But they lacked the evidence necessary for probable cause to satisfy the Constitution. They had no evidence at all. So they cooked up a scheme to get a warrant for a wiretap using FISA (since FISA is not a criminal court, it does not require probable cause). If so, this was an improper if not illegal use of the FISA Court. Given Manafort's role at the time, it would lack all credulity for any of the Obama people to claim they did not think about picking up his conversations with Trump. At the beginning of his campaign, Trump was probably speaking by phone to Manafort hourly, if not more frequently, up until the time Manafort was fired.

    Which means the Team Obama was getting transcripts of all of Trump's political planning. It's outrageous. Even you should be outraged by this.

    Nixon did some bad things but he was not this bad. A sitting President wiretapping the presidential candidate of the opposition party during a presidential election cycle is probably the worst thing that has ever happened in US presidential election history.
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  20. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Can't make this stuff up. I love these posts you do.
     
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  21. Joe Fan

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  22. ProdigalHorn

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    Wow.... Gotta love the liberals who out of the blue start embracing the "guilty because my team suspects them" school of law and order.
     
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  23. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    FISA warrants are for suspected spies. I've been saying all along that Manafort or Stone or Page were rolled up in the FISA warrants. Here's some more kooky stuff. Our allies have provided us with a lot of intel about the activities of this group prior to the election and afterwards because it didn't pass the smell test and was subverting the non autocratic world across the globe. They (maybe Australia) supposedly had Kysliak's phone hot mic'ed using an IPhone vulnerability so that all conversations that he had on the phone and in person were recorded. Apple shut this down at some point. After the shut down some redacted individual had their own phone hot mic'ed using the same vulnerability through a US court. Tin hat folks think that individual was James Comey - "gee, I sure hope they're tapes".
     
  24. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I suppose I should easily recognize you at the OU game this year since you will be the only Sooner wearing a tin foil hat.
     
  25. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    That may be true. To be fair, I predicted the existence of a FISA warrant on one of those three way back as it's what all the paranoid lefties were thinking. On the other thing, I'm just saying that there's conjecture out there that the self selected hot mic'ed phone is Comey. I suspect it's wishful thinking by the tin foil left but you never know.
     
  26. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    It was actually them getting rolled up in the FISA warrants on the banks in Trump Tower that I predicted.

    I forgot about Boris! How?
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I wonder how he will like his newly articulated standard of "assume guilt until proven otherwise" the next time he is pulled over by the police? You dont get pulled over for nothing.
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    No kidding

     
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  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Youve hardly been saying the same thing about anything "all along."

    In any event, it looks like they are after Manafort on FARA. If so, then too bad for him.
    However, it is also out in the open that John Podesta violated FARA. I seem to recall without looking it up that he has had multiple violations of FARA. Just like many other folks in DC for that matter (it is a swamp after all).
    So, what do you say to throwing them both in the pokey? Or will you have a second set of 'principles' for that crook Podesta? Would you agree that is would be manifestly unjust to convict Manafort but not Podesta under such similar circumstances?
     
  30. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Convict them all.

    I've said since January that manafort, Paige, stone and ephstyn would likely be rolled up in FISA stuff and various intelligence from our allies. My expectations related to Russian banks.
     

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