Jacob Young

Discussion in 'Men’s Basketball' started by txlandagent, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

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  2. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I think he will be soon. Perhaps taking some of Davis' minutes.
     
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  3. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    cary do you see what I’m seeing?
     
  4. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Not sure Tx. I do see Young playing fewer minutes, scoring more points, seems more efficient and more productive than Davis. I like Davis' attitude and hustle, but he is simply not getting it done.

    Also Young is simply shooting better now. And I think he relishes the big moment. A little bit like Jones, who wants the ball at the end with the game on the line.

    Plus young seems less confused and more aggressive than Eric D.

    What are you seeing Tx?
     
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  5. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    His proportional stats are ridiculously good in contrast to the rest of the team.

    #1 - Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
    #1 - True Shooting % (TS)
    #1 - Points per 40 Mins
    #1 - Points per 100 possessions
    #1 - Win share per 40 possessions (W/S40)
    #1 - 3PT FG% (.419)
    #2 - 2PT FG% (.750)

    He’s #9th in minutes played. Based on PER alone you could consider him our best scoring option. The thing about PER is the more minutes a player plays, the more diluted/inflated the stat gets. Which means the guys behind him averaging 2x-3x as many minutes, still have lower PERs relative to greater opportunity to pad the stat.
     
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  6. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Yes, right there with you. He's earned the chance to get more playing time. If he keeps hitting threes at 40% and gets 15-20 mpg instead of 5-10 mpg we will win a lot of games.
     
  7. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    I think the categories that you sorted by are a little out of whack for the bench guys, as the majority of their "good" play was against Northwestern State, New Hampshire, and Lipscomb. In fact, it was almost entirely the Northwestern State game that gave him those adjusted numbers when he was shooting lights-out against their backups. He made a three pointer in 9 minutes against Butler, but was shown the bench after a couple of big guard plays by the Bulldogs. He also couldn't handle the Duke guards (although not many can) in limited time. I thought he looked a little better against the Zags, but not any better than the starters.

    That said, I had huge hopes for him last year and was very disappointed in how both Banks and Young were used. Smart seemed way too reluctant to use any depth, which doesn't seem to be an issue this year. I think part of it was not having a true PG, and now that we have one (and Jones can sort of be the "backup" PG when Coleman is out), Young might be more free to get open.

    I also think we can use the bigs (the emergence of Sims is a huge sigh of relief) to kick things outside more often, and if Young is on the elbow, watch out.
     
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  8. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    I could see why you might think that. Logically, more opportunities to play versus lesser quality opponents is going to skew/inflate your stat right? These stat categories weigh and adjust for pace of play (quality of opponent) and player opportunity (time in the lineup).

    So, Young's 5 minutes vs Duke, effectively, are measured the same as his 5 minutes vs New Hampshire. Which would hold true for the other players (bench or starters). Everyone's baseline is the same.
     
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  9. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    Pace of play isn't quality of opponent. It's a number of possessions calculation. It's not "good versus bad opponent," it's the percent of time someone was doing something with the ball. There are bad teams with high Pace Factor on the Hollinger index.

    Yes, his 5 minutes against Duke are measured the same as his minutes against NWSU and NH. Check out what he did with his minutes against each team. The only reason he's the most effective player in PER is his shot selection and 1 steal in each of the first three games in limited minutes.

    The WS/40 is not reliable for Young. He did very well in his minutes against poor competition. He did not do well against the better teams. It's not weighted to show how he does when you adjust for anything. It's just WS divided by 40 minutes. All factors considered, he wasn't "bad" against Duke or Gonzaga, but he wasn't good either. I kind of hoped that he would supplant Davis last year as the three point guy, but the fact that he didn't shows more than those numbers do.
     
  10. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    Good job Googling Hollinger index real quick and getting up to speed. Sort of. There are subjective and objective methods for analyzing and interpreting data. I’ll leave it there.

    No sense in splitting hairs since we're obviously for the same position that Young should get more playing time because he's a quality player and our team would arguably benefit from his increased presence on the court.

    My theory is JY isn’t buying into Shakas “defense first” MO. Or Shaka’s afraid to hurt Davis’ feelings by playing an underclassman over him.
     
  11. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    After watching each of the games thus far, I am of the opinion that Young has surpassed Davis in effectiveness. At least on the offensive side. And lord knows we need a shooter.
    I think you may be correct. Davis is very close to Shaka. Shaka loves Davis. I like Davis. He is a good kid; always positive. A team player. Gives it everything. Sadly, he is really struggling offensively. Young has earned more PT.
     
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  12. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    Young vs. Davis comparison from FAMU game.

    Virtually identical stat line with the exception of a slightly better FG% for JY .750 (3-4) vs .600 (3-5) for Davis. Davis also missed two FT's and missed one more 3pt attempt and played 2 more minutes. Efficiency nod to Young.
     
  13. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    Young just plain "looked" better than Davis. Davis had a pretty great block and forced turnover on the back end. But on that slashing transition play where Young made the jump stop... whew... that was shades of J'Covan Brown. Again, it's pretty meaningless competition.
     
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