Net Neutrality

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Seattle Husker, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    No. I had them in Wiesbaden. The service they offer in this area is slower than what Kabel Deutschland offers. I do have Telekom for mobile service.
     
  2. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I'm on Verizon and have an unlimited data plan.
     
  3. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    Is it unlimited or “unlimited” data?

    I have heard of some companies using interesting definitions of the concept.
     
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  4. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I'll have to check but my phone along with both my children are on the plan and there have been no overage charges. So....
     
  5. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

    But that's still significantly better than we have now. I basically have 1 option for high speed internet right now - Comcast. I would be ecstatic to have 5 options.
     
  6. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    what it probably says is that after "XX Gb" of use, your service MAY be slowed (aka throttled)

    I've yet to experience this at my residence ... where the deer and antelope play ... but I can see where it'd be a problem if my 120GB of data were used in the land of brown roofs.

    I hope the new 5G doesn't have the same interference issues with GPS as the original 4G did (before LTE)
     
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  7. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Montana wins the contest to be the first state to pass Net-Neutrality laws.

    There are at least 22 governors that have stated they'd support similar net-neutrality protections should they cross their desks.
     
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  8. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    I have Sprint for Cell Phone and I upgraded from an "unlimited" data plan to one that doesn't slow down after I have downloaded so much data. Slowing data on Sprint ... kinda made me long for the days of Gateway Dialup.
     
  9. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    Yay ... just what we need .. .more government meddling in business.

    bottom line ... pay more/get more ...

    LIve rurally ... add more to that.

    No need of government dictating prices. That only increases costs ... decreases profitablility --- on which business is based ...

    So ... eventually, there's no business to produce the good/service which was once a market demand, but now costs too much due to excessive regulation.
     
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  10. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

  11. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I'm waiting to hear how McDonalds and Taco Bell fall out on this situation before I decide to take a position on it.
     
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  12. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    yeah, I've seen that before. One of my co-eds formerly Texas Longhorn exhibitor now up at OSU, actually.

    This cute little appeal to the masses lacks one thing ... PH has already alluded to it ...

    BK aint' the only place to get a burger.

    multiple ways to access the internet and multiple companies with those different technologies.
     
  13. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Nobody was ever saying you couldn't pay more or less to get better or worse speeds.
     
  14. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Clarification: It's the only place to get a WHOPPER.
     
  15. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    that's true, but that's a name of the actual product, it's not a different product.

    If I want to stream a program ... netflix isn't the only place to get it ... and moreover ... ComCast isn't the only way to do the streaming.

    One of the big pushes was to expand internet access for rural areas ... govt subsidized. So, yeah, this was combined with the entire allocation.

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    waa, he gets faster internet than me.

    he pays more

    so, it's not fair.

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    precisely the response.
     
  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    A bill to reverse the Ajit Pai led FCC repeal of Net Neutrality will be getting to Senate floor for debate.
     
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  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The bill passed the Senate today and will likely draw a quick death in the House.
     
  18. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    Was there a similar debate about telephone access back in the 1920s or something? It's so strange to me that people who think the free market will take care of itself are so pro-regulation in so many other facets of daily life.
     
  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Good question and one I'm not inclined to research. The Internet is no different than the modern day telephone line or road systems that took the Government to manage and regulate, IMHO.
     
  20. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    The internet seems practically like a public utility now. It is as essential as electricity for many people.
     
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  21. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    And increasingly so. As commerce continues to move to the web and the Internet of things (all smart devices connected to it) take hold it's crazy that we think it's anything put a public utility.
     
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  22. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Electrical power is highly regulated and it keeps out innovation and increases prices. I know because its the industry I work in. Treating the internet like the power grid would harm all of us.
     
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  23. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    I was referring to the simple delivery of bandwidth, what has been sometimes referred to as “ISP as a dumb pipe” — i.e., internet connectivity is essentially a commodity now, although the ISPs want to be perceived as more than that.

    The real internet innovation happens upstream.
     
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  24. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I agree; it should be a utility. It is in the public interest (general welfare man).
     
  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    You start regulating the pipe it will affect everyone trying to use the pipe. Freedom and competition is best. Big corporation working with government doesnt ever benefit the consumer. Its one of the big lies of our age.
     
  26. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    Agree w/ @Monahorns — ISPs oppose local municipalities that want to create their own broadband service because they know it can be done just as well and delivered at a lower cost to the end user.
     
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  27. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

  28. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

  29. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    And if the telephone and electric utilities had not been required to incorporate poor and rural areas into their services early on then MANY people would have been harmed by that as well.

    It is possible to OVERregulate. It is also possible to UNDERregulate.

    Net neutrality is not an example of OVER regulation.

    BTW, what are the electricity innovations you speak of?
     
  30. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    BrntOrngStmpeDe, Net Neutrality was a farce to help powerful corporations stay in power and keep out innovation. It would have led to higher costs and less services long term. If that is not the definition of over-regulation, then it does not exist to you. Read Sange Naranjada's article.

    More like innovation in the delivery of electricity, meaning the business model and level of service provided. Much of what I was talking about was in reference to the regional monopolies that many utilities enjoy. It is the same issue with the cable/ISPs. More government regulation comes at the expense of granting regional monopolies. Remove that and competition takes care of market desires.
     

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