What if it was not the Russians?

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  1. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

  2. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

  3. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

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  4. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I’m sure that Putin and Russia would stop meddling in our elections if President Trump
    Would just tell Putin to “Cut it out!”

    :lmao:
     
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  5. Garmel

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  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The Senate intelligence committee released their assessment that the Russians tried to influence the election, concurring with the Intelligence community.

     
  7. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I think we've known about the Russians hacking for quite some time now. The narrative though has been 98.6% about Donald Trump actively colluding with the Russians. I seem to recall much tamping down or downplaying two things: 1) Hillary's reckless use of her own servers 2) It all happened on Obama's watch.
     
  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    We've known about it but this wasn't a settled issue for many on this board who continue to this day to advance a Seth Rich - inside job conspiracy theory. This thread was started as a direct dispute of the Intelligence community claims of Russian interference in the elections, and directly the DNC hacking. In fact, JoeFan continues to raise doubts based on his continued following of Mueller's charges of the 13 Russians.

    Though the news coverage of Mueller's investigation has been on collusion, the scope of it started as Russian meddling and any potential collusion with the Trump org. It's the latter that has gotten the lion share of the news cycles fueled by the actual indictments (eg. Papadopolous) and other assorted interactions (Don Jr. meeting @ Trump Tower).

    Mueller hasn't issued any sort of report but their view is clear on 2 fronts: 1) Russia was directly interfering in the election via Facebook, Twitter and other front groups and 2) Russia hacked the DNC.

    The importance of this statement today by the Senate Intelligence Committee is that it was done in a bi-partisan manner, unlike the House Intelligence Committee where each party put out their own politically driven drivel.
     
  9. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I'm for bi-partisanship all the way. And if Trump colluded then I guess you get Pence. Meantime we're as divided as ever.

    My personal feeling is that everyone is trying to hack us; the Russians, the Chinese, the North Koreans, Iran etc etc etc. Cyber warfare shouldn't be a big shock. It's the fact that they possibly were so effective on Obama's watch that has me curious in terms of the lack of ANYTHING remotely close to the attacks on Trump over UNPROVEN ALLEGATIONS while we know that Obama and Hillary were lackadaisical (to be kind) without recourse from their own party.
     
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  10. mchammer

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    Brennan and Clapper has orchestrated this entire fbi spying operation into the Trump campaign before they had any evidence. In fact they likely seeded the operation by telling people “confidential” info about the “Russian” hacking and then when these people repeated the stories, they themselves created the need for an investigation. It was a trap by Brennan and Clapper from the beginning.
     
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  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Time to move on to another strategy to discredit Mueller. Will Gowdy be called a RHINO or part of the deep state? Can't decide.
     
  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Why is a special counsel needed if FBI has been on the case since 2015?
     
  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    What was the triggering event that prompted Rosenstein to appoint a special counsel?
     
  14. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I have no clue. Anything illegal perhaps or unconstitutional? Dershowitz says nothing of the kind occurred.
     
  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Hacking somebody's computer or server is illegal.
     
  16. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Need a special prosecutor to do that?
     
  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It depends on the nature of the investigation and who the subject of the investigation is. Break-ins at office complexes don't usually need a special prosecutor either.
     
  18. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    When Comey was fired for not pulling out of investigating Flynn/Russia/et al.

    Was that a rhetorical question?
     
  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It wasn't so much the firing as much as it was tripping over his own dick incident to the firing.
     
  20. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I think where you're going with is that Trump's firing of Comey was seen as a political act so Rosenstein (who was in charge of the investigation due to the recusal of Sessions) appointed an outside investigator in Mueller who was seen as bi-partisan and trust-worthy by both sides of the aisle.
     
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  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Clarification: Who's tripping over whose penis here?
     
  22. Mr. Deez

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    Trump tripped over his own penis. However, in a way, he also tripped over Comey's penis.
     
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  23. Seattle Husker

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    We need to keep reminding ourselves that Mueller was viewed as trustworthy when appointed by all sides. This is important in light of Trump's (and supporters) attempt to paint him as partisan and untrustworthy.
     
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Bashing the investigator only makes one look guilty. That's what the the Clintons did. If Trump is clean (and at least so far no one has found evidence of his guilt), he should downplay the whole thing and move on with other priorities.
     
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  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That's logical. In the end, Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury for trying to hide the Lewinsky scandal. It wasn't where the investigation started but where it ended.

    POTUS attack the special prosecutor more to sway public opinion than as a legal tactic. If polls are to be believed, Trump is winning that battle with his base.
     
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  26. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Makes me wonder how he comes to this conclusion when we know for a fact he did not see any documents on his trip.
     
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  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Devin Nuned was with him. Ask yourself why he's gone silent after previously being so vocal. Isn't that odd for someone who has previously lived out on a limb?
     
  28. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Neither one saw any documents. It was nothing more than a short briefing. Nunes has been quiet for about a month or two now and he's hardly been out on a limb. The Grassley-Graham memo was probably more damning of the FBI than his memo was.
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    First and foremost, I don't know what Nunes and Gowdy did or did not see. Gowdy hasn't outlined the briefing from what I've read.

    Nunes has been anything but quiet the past "month or two". He claimed that he'd hold the FBI in contempt for not replying to his subpoenas for information. Here is an interview on FoxNews Nunes did a week prior to the briefing in which he was pushing the "spy" narrative.

     
  30. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Uh, I've seen it reported by many outlets, including MSM sources. Gowdy didn't see anything according to the news. I like how you've been harsh with Gowdy until he says something that you agree with. You trust him now. *snicker* I'm still trying to figure out where he's getting his info.
     
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