Foreign Policy Discussion: Russia

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, May 23, 2016.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Putin: Would anyone care for some tea?

    Everyone: Err, no thanks

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  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    LOL. Don't blow your nose on anything within his control either. Keep a packet of Kleenexes in your pocket.

    I wonder when Musburger is going to come in and claim that this was a frame job of some kind or a hoax. It's gonna happen.
     
  3. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    The argument that "Russia probably did it" has been based solely on hype, emotion, and hysteria.


    The argument that "Russia didn't do it" is based on logic.

    A. Why now? He was imprisoned several years before the swap. He could have been killed at any time. Russia would not have released him if they considered him a danger to national security. Putin's election is in another week. Does it make political sense for Putin to have him killed (sloppily) on the eve of the election?

    B. Why use a method that could be traced to Russia, like some exotic formula created in the old USSR? Why not just hire a thug to put a bullet in the guy's head?

    The argument that US or British intelligence agencies are responsible can be made from a motive standpoint.

    A. The Congress just cleared Trump of collusion with Russia to influence the election. How can we put Russia back on the radar again?

    B. The bogus accusations of Assad gassing enemies is ramping up at the same time. Coincidence?

    C. Britain's Porton Down is a state run chemical factory about 10 miles away from the crime scene. How convenient.

    D. Britain ignored international law in refusing to give samples to Russia and then demanding a Russian response within 24 hours. Immediately Britain and the Western governments/press seized the initiative to declare a Russian assassination without a shred of evidence.

    E. Already a coordinated effort has been made to turn the accusations into a financial attack. For example: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/po...ise-trade-deals-in-wake-of-nerve-agent-attack

    No one knows for sure what happened because as of yet, zero evidence has been produced. There are plenty of reasonable explanations, most of which point to the British and/or American intelligence agencies. Feel free to investigate yourself. I'll provide half a dozen or so links below, although I'm quite sure no one here is going to bother to consider any point of view other than Putin ordered it.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/

    http://theduran.com/skripal-crisis-theresa-may-fires-blank/

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html

    http://thesaker.is/when-dealing-with-a-bear-hubris-is-suicidal/

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/03/14/will-russia-wake/
     
  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    What took you so long? lol
     
  5. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    I was surprised a thread on this wasn't started. There were two more articles I wanted to link to but one was behind a paywall (the best oped) and I couldn't find the other one.
     
  6. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    While we're on the foreign policy thread, Trump seems to be shaking up his staff. Tillerson is out and the CIA neocon, Pompeo, takes over at State. The gal that headed the Thailand torture site will now run the CIA. Cohn is out and Kudlow is in. There are rumours that Bolton (a well spoken neocon warmonger) would replace McMaster as National Security Adviser next.

    It seems to be a race to who we go to war with first. Will Trump test Russia in Syria? Will the Ukies attack the Donbass again? How long before we bomb Iran? And of course the fat man in North Korea wants denuclearization, but that includes the US moving it's nukes out of South Korea. That ain't going to happen unless South Korea agrees to it, and if they do I'm damn sure we'd put sanctions on them too.
     
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  7. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Look Musberger, the once big Russian Bear is even scared of cats these days

     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The geniuses in Russia are back at it

     
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