What Putin wants is the most important issue of our time

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, Mar 31, 2018.

  1. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    This author gets it.

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/what-putin-wants-is-the-most-important-issue-of-our-time/

    I think it is time we all got real clear on what it is that Putin wants, and why it really is that we (by that I mean the CIA, the Pentagon, and the State Department, the “deep state troika” and its hand-puppet, the MSM) hate him. I use the term “deep state” somewhat ironically – they’re all out in the open as far as I can tell, and don’t hide their ambitions at all. It’s a silly phrase but it is what people know.

    Putin stands at the head of an emerging confederacy of nations and peoples who stand opposed to being absorbed into a new world order. They stand for national sovereignty, cultural distinctiveness, traditional religious values, and while they are not totalitarian like the Chinese communists, neither are they liberal like the European and American West.

    It is in their fundamental interests to seek a strategic balance of power – and to put an end to the idea that there is one ideology and way of life to “rule them all.” Putin and his allies don’t want to live like the Chinese – but they are allied with China right now for the simple reason that China respects their sovereignty, and they respect China’s.

    The hysterical aggression of our “deep state” troika to Putin is about preserving a world order in which the US calls the shots. Some genuinely believe that liberalism and democracy must be spread abroad – by hook or by crook – in order for it to be “safe” here. This is one of the most absurd ideas ever conceived. Others are simply vultures, salivating at the opportunity for more government contracts, which war and aggression always bring. For others still it is simply about the prestige of the nation. If the US is not calling the shots, then it is no longer #1, and we must always be #1. There is no good reason for any of it.

    Putin is right to oppose us. Putin is right to obstruct us. Because we have been and are up to no good, everywhere we go. A specific manifestation of this is Syria. It seems rather clear, from all the international news sources I read, that Assad is backed by the majority of the Syrian people, who, for whatever their beefs with the man, would vastly prefer him to the jihadist terrorists supported by our government. Putin’s intervention in the Syria war was a shock to the system of our “deep state.” Usually it is our own incompetence, combined with the lack of any clear morally justifiable goal, that ruins our military enterprises, and not the direct interference of another major power. Putin ruined the plans of our “deep state” for Syria, which was to turn it into another Libya. He stopped this evil and ridiculous plan from coming to fruition. And for that, he earned the eternal hatred of the deep state.

    Ask yourself – why exactly do they all hate Putin? Because he is “an authoritarian”? The Chinese are certainly authoritarian, and don’t receive a fraction of the hate. They are persecuting some Christians, political dissidents, intimidating some of their neighbors, if you ask them. The Saudis are one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet. But it is Putin that earns almost all of the hatred. And it is because it is Putin is both able and willing to make a stand for sovereignty and multipolarity in a way no other power bloc in this world is willing or able to do.

    Trump, the man, I think understands this. Trump the president is trapped by the deep state. I don’t think he can resist them. Only Putin can resist them. But Trump perhaps bought us time. Hillary would not have had to have been broken with scandals and leaks. She IS the deep state.

    This is the most important issue of our time.



    Joe Hargrave is a professional educator and a political activist residing in Cypress, California. He has vast experience in both the old left and the post right.
     
  2. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    What if he just wants a nice hot bowl of borscht with a little dollop of smetana?
     
  3. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    That would only be the 2nd or 3rd most important issue of our time.
     
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  4. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    If the most important issue of our time is trying to stoke that egomaniac's need for fame, power and money, even if it involves widespread corruption and jailing and murdering those that disagree with him, please let the nukes fly.
     
  5. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    You make OU Bubba sound like Einstein.
     
  6. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    One of my many super powers.
     
  7. TaylorTRoom

    TaylorTRoom 1,000+ Posts

    Is Putin and Russia the same thing? Like Louis XIV, “l’etat, cest moi “?

    What is Russia? It’s the world’s largest nation by area, the ninth by population and the twelfth by GDP. It has the third largest military and the most number of nuclear warheads. That last number is the main reason the West has to put up with BS from Russia- Putin’s nation is North Korea writ large.

    Russia is a country where so very much power is concentrated in the state that the ruling party can ensure the continuing of its tenure. You say that’s ok because it is supported by the nationalism of its people and it’s not as authoritarian as it could be. Well, the former only works for a homogeneous people, and Russia’s tendency is to try to absorb its heterogeneous neighbors. As for the latter- I don’t think the people who fell foul of Putin’s graces feel he is very benign.

    The main problem with getting along with Putin is that it’s just so damned much work. What does he want? He wants to hold energy prices high. He wants to make bordering nations comply with his wishes. He wants unfettered access for laundering money. He wants to be able to commit assassinations in foreign countries without repercussion. If things go wrong and his people shoot down a jet liner, he wants you to forget it as quickly as he does.

    It really is a lot easier for the West to go about its business and just tell him “no” a lot. After all, as rich as he is, his country is little richer than Italy (which has given much, much more to the world community). But, ...there are those nukes.
     
  8. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    The first half of your post was accurate for the most part. The last half of your post was simply regurgitating undocumented propaganda. I’ll comment on the second paragraph which has some good observations but needs much clarification.

    The amount of power vested in the Russian Presidency is
    largely due to the United States which did not want. Representative government, instead favoring one where US influence of policy could use the executive as a conduit. Yeltsin was the ideal choice. Russian oligarchs and Western interests basically bought the nation’s assets for pennies on the dollar. When Putin was named successor, nobody dreamed he would be more than another figurehead (US puppet).

    While the vast size of Russia and diverse ethnicities create problems, hostile actions taken by the West have resulted in unification and national pride. Currently, Russia is more united and confident in its governance, especially in the direction it is heading, than is America.

    As far as absorbing its heterogeneous neighbors, either you are referring to the USSR expansion, something not relevant to today, or you are mischaracterizing Crimea and North Ossetia which are homogenous people for the most part and consider themselves ethnic Russians.

    For self- reflection, we’d all benefit from reading the linked essay.

    http://thesaker.is/a-last-look-at-the-west-that-was/
     
  9. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Points for consistency
     
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  11. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Yet another perspective.
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article200519.html

    Towards a Post-War in the Greater Middle East
    by Thierry Meyssan
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    All wars end with winners and losers. The seventeen years we have just lived through in the "Greater Middle East" is no exception. Yet, while Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi have been eliminated and Syria is winning, the only real losers are the Arab people.

    At the most, one can pretend to believe that the problem concerns only Syria. And that in Syria, it is circumscribed to Ghouta. And that in Ghouta, the Army of Islam has been defeated. Yet, this episode will not be enough to declare the end of the hostilities that have ravaged the region, destroyed entire cities and killed hundreds of thousands of men, women and children.

    Nevertheless, the surviving myth that "civil wars" spread by contagion [1] allows the 130 states and international organizations that participated in the "Friends of Syria" meetings to shirk their responsibilities and to hold their heads high. Furthermore, since they will never admit failure, they will continue to perpetrate their abuses in other theaters of operation. In other words: their war will soon be over in this region, but it will resume elsewhere.

    From this point of view, what has played out in Syria since the US declaration of war nearly 15 years ago - i.e. when the Syrian Accountability Act was passed into law in December 2003 - will have shaped the world Order that is currently emerging. Indeed, while almost all the states in the "Greater Middle East" have been weakened or completely wrecked, Syria is the only one still standing and independent.

    Consequently, the strategy of Admiral Cebrowski, designed to destroy the societies and states of non-globalized countries while compelling the globalized ones to ensure the security of the US military, allowing it to plunder the raw materials and energy sources in the destroyed areas, can not be implemented by the Pentagon either here or in any other region. Ajouter footnote de ton article!

    Under President Trump’s leadership, the US Armed Forces have gradually ceased to support the jihadists and have begun to withdraw from the battlefield. This does not mean they have become philanthropic overnight , but simply realistic. This development should mark the end of their interventions against foreign states.

    In the spirit of the 1941 Atlantic Charter in which London and Washington agreed to jointly control the oceans and world trade, the United States is now preparing to sabotage the trade of its Chinese rival. Donald Trump is reforming the Quad (together with co-members Australia, Japan and India) to limit the movements of the Chinese merchant fleet in the Pacific. Simultaneously, he named John Bolton as National Security Advisor, whose great achievement under the Bush Jr. Administration was to involve NATO Allies in the military surveillance of the oceans and global trade.

    China’s grand "silk road" project on both land and sea is not likely to materialize for some time. Now that Beijing has decided to move its goods through Turkey instead of Syria and through Belarus instead of Ukraine, we should expect "disorders" to erupt in these two countries.

    Already in the fifteenth century, China had tried to reopen the Silk Road by building a huge fleet of 30,000 men under the command of the Muslim admiral Zheng He. Despite the warm welcome received by this peaceful armada in the Persian Gulf, Africa and the Red Sea, the undertaking failed. The emperor had the whole fleet burned and China withdrew into itself for five centuries.

    President Xi drew inspiration from this illustrious predecessor to envisage "the Road and Belt Initiative" but, like Emperor Ming Xuanzong, he could be led to scuttle his own initiative, notwithstanding the risk of losing the huge amounts already invested by his country.

    For its part, the United Kingdom has not renounced its plan to instigate a new "Arab revolt", a scheme which in 1915 served to bring the Wahhabis to power, from Libya to Saudi Arabia. However, the so-called "Arab Spring" of 2011, which this time was meant to install the Muslim Brotherhood in power, was snuffed out by the Syrian-Lebanese resistance.

    London intends to exploit the US "pivot to Asia" strategy to recover the influence it wielded during its former empire. The UK is poised to leave the European Union and has directed its armed forces against Russia. It has tried to secure the largest possible number of allies by manipulating the "Skripal case", but has suffered several setbacks, including New Zealand’s refusal to continue playing the docile "dutiful Dominion". Logically, London should redirect its jihadists against Moscow as it did during the wars unleashed in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and Chechnya.

    Russia is the only great power to have emerged victorious from the Middle East conflict, thereby achieving the goal set by Catherine the Great to gain access to the Mediterranean and save the cradle of Christianity, the bedrock of Russian culture.

    Moscow is now expected to enlarge the Eurasian Economic Union, to which Syria applied to join in 2015. At that time, its membership had been suspended at the request of Armenia, reluctant to introduce a state at war into the common economic space, but now the order of things has changed.

    The new world balance has been bipolar from the moment Russia unveiled its new nuclear arsenal. It is very likely that the world will be divided in two, not by an iron curtain, but by the will of the Western powers who are already in the process of separating the banking systems and will soon try to do the same with the Internet. On the one side, it should be based on NATO and, on the other, no longer on the Warsaw Pact but on the Collective Security Treaty Organization. In a period of about thirty years, Russia has turned the page of Bolshevism and has shifted its influence from the center of Europe towards the Middle East.

    In a pendulum movement, the West - the former "free world" – has morphed into a set of coercive and falsely consensual societies. The European Union is endowed with a bigger and more oppressive bureaucracy than that of the Soviet Union. And Russia becomes once again the champion of International Law.
     
  12. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    The murderous, evil, dictator holds forum on the economy.

     
  13. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

  14. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    You really cannot understand what Putin is all about without context. The first half of interview takes you through the 90’s under Yeltsin and America’s role. The second half goes from 2000 to the present. George H W Bush, Soros, and Sachs are important factors.

     
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    He wishes he was special

     
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    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Putin taking advantage of the coronavirus scare to play games

     
  18. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Look, Putin is a thug, just like Hitler was a thug. He acts like he is for the Russian people just like our Democrats act like they are the champions of poor people. Putin wants to rule the world, Hitler style. There is a reason the new Nazi movement is so strong in Russia, he is a big part even though he has never come out (to my knowledge) and accepted them. As my wife has said many times, the Russian people have been slaves to Russia for over 1,000 years. From the time of the Czars to the Communist they have always had government push them around.

    Putin is no different. In the words of Billy Joel, Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    Don't get me wrong, he has actually done some good for the Russian people, his latest thing is a welfare program for young mothers designed to help them with the ability to keep their babies without having to put them up for adoption if they can't support them, or worse. Now they can have a baby and the government will support them for up to 7 years so they can stay home with their kids. He wants to stop the export of Russian children and make it so the Russian population can grow.

    With all that said, he is a ruthless MFer who will destroy anyone who opposes him.
     

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