I didn't vote for Trump and didn't really support him other than hoping he win so Clinton wouldn't win, but if he can do the impossible with NK, then I will vote for him in 2020.
No big surprise. The June Summit is back on. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-north-korea-summit-20180601-story.html
And when you have a president who thinks that white supremacists are very good people too "you have a special kind of ignorance right there."
Trump was referring to people on both sides of the statue debate. You really think he was referring to the tiki torchers? TDS.
He did say "good people on both sides". I think it's entirely appropriate to question the "good people" on the protester side based on the tiki torch brigade and what they were singing (blood and soil). This was a moment for no ambiguity and Trump was ambiguous, just as he's been at other times. Furthermore, this was after one of those "people" (were they good?) decided to drive their car into a crowd of counter-protesters killing 1 woman. Trump made a political calculation. It was an abhorrent choice.
This is a good example of what is wrong in the US at the moment. How are we supposed to "find common ground" or even "have a conversation" with people who start from the premise that conservatives/libertarians/Republicans are all "white supremacists" or racists or Nazis or Fascists or the Alt-Right? I suggest that it is impossible to find common ground with anyone who comes to the table with this hardened belief. It kills the conversation before it starts. There is no compromising with people who have swallowed this particular kool-aid. They just have to be defeated. It is the only way to deal with them. If they tag along and benefit from our success while hating us the entire time, then so be it. But they cannot allowed to ever have political power over the rest of us. It was this same line of thinking that gave the world the Soviet Gulags, Mao's "re-education through labor" camps and Pol Pot's fields. Dont let it happen here.
Is this ambiguous: - Jack Johnson pardon - prison reform - urban renewal (in progress) - moving embassy to Jerusalem When you have a hammer, I guess everything looks like a nail.
Sorry, I thought we were talking about Charlottsville and Trump's comments that were ambiguous. Did you not want to defend those?
Mind reading? Nah, just some level of analysis of the crowds and their actions. It's anti-TDS to see that he equivocated just like his stance on enviornmental science. If you take 100 people, 90 on one side and 10 on the other and call them equal then be prepared to be perceived in a negative light.
I was referring to your mind reading of Trump’s mind, not how one reads the crowd. How do you know what Trump was thinking unless you are a mind reader?
So if Trump made an ambiguous comment about race for political purposes (your claim), how is that consistent politically with: - Johnson pardon - prison reform - urban renewal effort - embassy move
Every white person I know (and I've known a lot) is/was damn proud the US helped destroy the Nazi's. They are also proud that they were on this side of the fence when it came to the Cold War. The Communists and the Nazi's were our enemy and it amazes me how Hollywood is attempting to "white-wash" people such as Dalton Trumbo who was a clear communist sympathizer and other naive egomaniacs who openly supported Stalin. Yet Hollywood attempts to support the whole idea that white Republicans are borderline Nazi's. It's clear as day what is happening. I've never known anyone who said anything about Nazi's except that they were evil monsters. Period. If anyone attempts to paint me with the label of white supremacist then I feel they are so emotionally impaired that it borders on mental illness. And I agree with Joe Fan; you can't negotiate or have that courageous talk about race that Don Holder talked about with people who stipulate that white people are that bad. I think his idea was that normal white people should be "courageous" enough to admit they are closet white supremacists instead of him (Holder) possibly admitting that both sides just need to understand one another a little better and LISTEN to one another. There is a power struggle going on and the race issue is a political weapon. I will never apologize for being white. Ever. I take no responsibility for what happened in the past. It did not accrue to me. And if someone wants me to feel bad about not taking the responsibility so they can execute a white person in today's way (getting fired from your job for instance) in order to make themselves feel better then they are wasting their time. That being said, I believe Trump fumbled a bit when he had a chance to unambiguously and forcefully tell the nation that Nazi's are in a different class of evil altogether and that all Americans should be united in that belief. I don't know if he just didn't understand his own base or what. He should have trusted that the only people he would have lost (the real Nazi's among us; a very minor fringe group with zero power) don't matter. What's funny is that the sick people on the Left who believe all the Republicans are Nazi's hype would look at my opinion here and say, "See, he's unhinged; why is he freaking out. We must have struck a nerve." Well yes, they did. Any lie strikes a nerve with me.
Most people who use the term "Nazi" today have no idea what the term means or what actual Nazis believed. When they use that term, it's mindless blather. That doesn't mean it should never be used. There are real Nazis in the most radical elements of the alt-Right, but 90 percent of the people called Nazis aren't remotely close to Nazism. In fact, most of them are far less Nazi than the people calling them Nazis.
The problem is that how Trump's words get twisted by the liberal media. - Trump said there were good people on both sides of the confederate statue debate and there are. There are also bad people on both sides of that debate. The liberal media chose to make that fit their narrative that he was complimenting the bad ones. - Recently, he called MS13 animals. The liberal media twisted that to he called all Mexicans animals. There are multiple other examples. CNN has largely given up on the Russia investigation and moved to race baiting. MSNBC has doubled down by using race and Russia. Progressives are banking November on playing the race card. On progressive radio, hosts frequently state that anyone who voted or supports Trump is a racist. I predict this, along with a booming economy, progress on North Korea and tax reform will hold back what should be a blue wave.
Everybody should watch the holocaust documentaries along with the history of what Germany did to the surrounding countries they attacked. It should clear up any misconceptions about who and what they were. Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and Goering. But even worse, if it could be, were the prison guards and brown shirts who terrorized the people of Germany with impunity. What a horrible hell on earth. They can't burn long enough for me. This has always been my feeling and when I hear any notion of them in our country it makes me sick. I'd love to give that speech to the entire nation to put the matter to rest once and for all.
To defend the white pride tiki torch "blood and soil" crew that was in Charlottesville is to defend Nazis. Pretty clear cut to me. Didn't the blood/soil moment kind of crystallize it?
There were different chapters of racist white pride folks from all over the country. The champion who drove the car was from Ohio. The guy who shot the gun was the head of the Maryland KKK. Three more were arrested that day. One was from Chattanooga and another was from Florida. On the other side, the dude with the "flame thrower" was from under an hour away. The guy who got beat up is from Charlottesville. The lady who got killed was from Charlottesville. I will say that there were poor actions by people on both sides. I will say that the nazis were more organized and were from all over. Blood and soil is more than just words, dude.
There were also law abiding citizens who believe in the preservation of history, especially on southern soil. I live in the deep south and love visiting the historical sites of the civil war. I had relatives who fought for the confederacy who never owned slaves. I am sure they were probably for it, but there was a lot of ignorance at that time. Hell, at one time, most people thought the earth was flat (some still do). Many great Americans (Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Houston) in history owned slaves - yet they would surely recognize clearly today how wrong they were. Removing historical statues does not remove a bad historic time in our country. It does hold the possibility of creating a situation were future generations totally forget it. The USA has a long way to go in healing. Removing statues does nothing for that. By the way, are you guys supporting ANTIFA's antics this weekend?
Yep. There were people that I know from a mutual friend that were there protesting the statue removal. They are not Nazis nor are they racist.
