Comey and Mueller

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Here is a 7m video about the facts underlying Judge Collyer's 99-page memo/opinion were she scorched the Obama Admin for its abuse of the FISA Court

     
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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Here is what we are allowed to see of that opinion/memo by Collyer

     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    And here is a less than 8m video discussing the FBI/DOJ shortcomings with regard to the Page wiretaps they got from the FISA Court

     
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  4. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    According to the New York Times Rosenstein talked about secretly taping Trump which Rosenstein denies. Also Rosenstein thought about recruiting Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Chief of Staff John Kelly to invoke the 25th amendment to remove Trump.To be fair to Rosenstein this might be more garbage journalism from the Times. Who knows? New York Times: Rod Rosenstein discussed secretly taping Trump - CNNPolitics
     
  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    "The New York Times's story is inaccurate and factually incorrect. I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the Department and are advancing their own personal agenda,"
    Hmm maybe Kavanaugh should use the same approach, putting in the name of the accuser who wanted to remain anonymous.
     
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That is one of the more outrageous claims of this entire period.

    When I went to work there, the AG was Dick Thornburgh. Sidebar - I once dined with him is his private dining room (it was only breakfast and it ended with him not that happy with me. Go figure). Love him or hate him, one thing I can say for certain is that Big Dick Thornburgh would never have allowed the current level of nonsense we have seen the last 2 years plus out of the DOJ. He would have cracked the whip. Hard. But guess what? He never had to very much. Why? Because people took their jobs and oaths of office seriously back then. I dont know what to say about this current group. Times have definitely changed.

    I was thinking about this the other day -- that when the FBI does a background check on you, one of the things they do is knock on doors and talk to your neighbors growing up. They did this to my old neighbors. But imagine them knocking on your door today for something innocuous like this, a background check on an old neighbor. And for the purpose of this question, assume you are a registered Republican who voted for Trump. Do you even invite them inside to talk? I dont think I do. Even if its pouring rain out.
     
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  7. Joe Fan

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  8. Joe Fan

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    Some details on the James Baker testimony -- short version is that he confirmed, presumably under oath, the FBI knew it was political before they ever went after the first FISA warrant. And the FBI did not disclose this to the Court.

    "Congressional investigators have confirmed that a top FBI official met with Democratic Party lawyers to talk about allegations of Donald Trump-Russia collusion weeks before the 2016 election, and before the bureau secured a search warrant targeting Trump’s campaign.

    Former FBI general counsel James Baker met during the 2016 season with at least one attorney from Perkins Coie, the Democratic National Committee’s private law firm.

    That’s the firm used by the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to secretly pay research firm Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence operative, to compile a dossier of uncorroborated raw intelligence alleging Trump and Moscow were colluding to hijack the presidential election.

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    It means the FBI had good reason to suspect the dossier was connected to the DNC’s main law firm and was the product of a Democratic opposition-research effort to defeat Trump — yet failed to disclose that information to the FISA court in October 2016, when the bureau applied for a FISA warrant to surveil Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

    “This is a bombshell that unequivocally shows the real collusion was between the FBI and Donald Trump’s opposition — the DNC, Hillary and a Trump-hating British intel officer — to hijack the election, rather than some conspiracy between Putin and Trump,” a knowledgeable source told me....."

    Collusion bombshell: DNC lawyers met with FBI on Russia allegations before surveillance warrant
     
  9. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    So will Trump go after these guys or not? If the statements are true they should all be in jail. The number of people may be staggering too. 10? 20? 30? How many people were involved.
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Here is latest Andrew McCarthy on Rosenstein


    " .... Yet, on Comey’s firing, he badly misdiagnosed the Democrats. Like the president and some B-Team White House advisers, Rosenstein figured that his memo — so solicitous of Mrs. Clinton, so respectful of Democratic as well as Republican rebukes of Comey — would be applauded by Democrats, who blamed the former director for Clinton’s defeat. It had apparently escaped Rosenstein’s notice that Democrats had moved on from Hillary. Stoking anti-Trump derangement was now the order of the day, and Comey had made himself useful in that effort, particularly during March House testimony in which Comey publicly fingered the president’s campaign as a suspect in Russian sabotage. Whatever contempt Democrats might silently harbor for Comey, the president’s firing of him presented a political opportunity to accuse Trump of obstructing the Russia probe. The president, Democrats said, must’ve feared that the FBI director was about to expose a corrupt Trump–Putin conspiracy.

    The apoplectic Democratic reaction sent Rod a-reeling, anguished by such taunts as this one by Senator Christopher Murphy of Connecticut: “You wrote a memo you knew would be used to perpetuate a lie. You own this debacle.” Pathos drips from the Friday Times report: Rosenstein grousing that Trump had used him; Rosenstein remorsefully wishing that Comey (whom he’d just portrayed as mutinous and incorrigible) was still running the FBI so the admiring Rod “could bounce ideas off him.”

    Grousing about Trump’s Unfitness
    The Times tells us that Rosenstein “grew concerned that his reputation had suffered harm,” and he “became angry at Mr. Trump.” Sensing which way the wind was blowing, desperate to get back in the Democrats’ good graces, the deputy AG started singing from the #Resistance hymnal: Trump is unfit. Of course, Trump was neither more nor less unfit than he’d been at any other time. Rosenstein’s sudden concern about the president’s suitability was about Rosenstein, not Trump. The deputy AG now felt the need to show his former admirers, as emphatically as circumstances would allow, that he was on the right side of this question....."

    Rod Rosenstein, Resistance Leader | National Review
     
  11. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah. I just wish Trump was as quick to fire people as he was on the Apprentice. It would hurt the government because there would be some much turnover and many things that are being done today would not get done. The establishment would howl even louder. The media would be their megaphone. But I think normal people even many Democratic voters would see the hypocrisy. Even more so if Trump or people in his Administration made their case. That just highlights even more how important it is diminish the role of conventional media and fight to make the internet a freer place for information.
     
  12. Joe Fan

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    Fusion GPS' Glenn Simpson is refusing to participate in a "confidential deposition" before the House.

    His lawyer says --

    "He will instead invoke his constitutional rights not to testify under the First and Fifth Amendments of the Constitution."

    Simpson is no fool. He does not want to be the next Vince Foster.
     
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  14. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Really interesting Twitter thread summarizing some of Concord Management hearings. Doesn't sound like it's going well at all for the special council. This post stood out:

     
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  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Bah bah bah! Such suspense.
     
  18. Joe Fan

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  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    The plot continues to thicken. I like it.
     
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Hahaha - another Obama red line


     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Do you ever wonder if Barack Obama, James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, Peter Strzok, Christopher Steele, Bruce & Nellie Ohr, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Andrew McCabe, Valerie Jarrett, Andrew Weissman, Sally Yates and Lisa Page ever wonder why they risked what they risked in order to help Hillary? Hillary!
     
  22. Joe Fan

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    Acting AG Matt Whitaker back on July 2017:

    "I could see a scenario where Jeff Sessions is replaced with a recess appointment and that attorney general doesn’t fire Bob Mueller, but he just reduces his budget to so low that his investigation grinds to almost a halt.”
     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Same guy

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  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    JF
    Nice catch.
    Unbelievable except the unbelievable seems the norm for Dems
     
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  25. Joe Fan

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    Word is Rosenstein will be offering his resignation within the next 48 hours
     
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  26. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    I always thought it was weird how the DOJ was actually working against their boss. Now that Sessions is out we may see a more proTrump DOJ which would counterbalance losing the House.
     
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  27. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Good. Draining.
     
  28. Joe Fan

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    Also a rumor out there that Donald Trump Jr. has told some friends he is expecting to be indicted by Mueller
     
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  30. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    When you're on a witch hunt you have to find a witch. He'll be indicted but nothing will come of it.
     
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