Refugee Caravan Heading For U.S.

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  1. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

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  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    A wall at least can increase the barrier to entry sufficiently for most cases crossing border on foot.

    However, most illegals are in the US due to expired Visas. If you want to make the biggest effect, you have to implement e-verify and arrest an employer or two.
     
  3. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Those who come by visa are higher skilled.
     
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  4. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I don't think he's referencing those who come in on work visa programs (like H1-B) but rather tourist visas.
     
  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    They come with any many kinds of Visas (tourist, temp work, student). A high skilled person working under a Visa will have incentive to keep it valid. For high skilled jobs i don't think employers typically let that slide.
     
  6. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    How about the next step in negotiations be go home or if you step foot into the US illegally we'll put some hot lead in your ***.
     
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  7. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    But Vol, they are just honest hardworking people who will not take a dime of benefits from the taxpayer and will contribute billions.
    Not buying that one?
    Ok How about it is for the children?
     
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  8. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Yep. To further your point one of the caravans was willing to take bribes to go back home tells me this group wasn't about the American dream. They were here to milk the U.S. taxpayer.
     
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  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The "highly skilled" jobs follow the rules the most, albeit I have seen fake credentials used to justify the skills and/or am aware of Indian vendors using tourist visas for short-term assignments.
     
  10. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I am sure the H1B visas are abused faked and frauded.
    We should demand scrutiny and punishment.
    No abuse of our generous policies should be allowed to continue.
    EVER
    That said I doubt the Indian H1b abusers are raping the welfare system
    OR demanding reparations.
     
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  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Or they were so desperate that the "bribe" was so consequential to their life that waiting to get into the US with what is being relayed as a hostile amnesty application process wasn't a worth option. Hey...celebrate the fact that the bribe worked.
     
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  12. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Let me be clear...I've been dealing with the H1B process most of my career and have personally had several direct employees on the H1B program. It is a very difficult and cumbersome process to navigate to initially gain an H1B visa then also to renew.

    I've had a standout employee that had a Masters degree from a US for profit college that went out of business who personally paid for another Masters to ensure she continued to qualify for an H1B because the government wouldn't renew her visa because she no longer had the qualifying degree.

    Where I have seen issues is with Indian consulting firms. Of course, in most cases they were defrauded too and quickly worked to reconcile. I still remember the call I got one morning from the Account Exec who said "the contractor showing up today is not the same one you spoke to on the phone. Don't talk to them we'll be right over to walk them away." Another story was when I interviewed someone that claimed to work on on a project at a company I also had worked on. This was a 30 person team and the contractor had clearly copied from someone else who had worked on the project because the 3 of us had no recollection of this person. I doubt they expected a different consulting company to refer them to us.
     
  13. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    That's not what I'm talking about. Check this out. Caravan asylum seekers tell U.S.: Let us in or give us $50,000 each to go home
     
  14. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Sadly a 7 yo girl died after going several days without food or water as the group of over a hundred made their way up to and illegally crossing our border, The Border Patrol caught them and air lifted the girl to an El Paso Hospital.
    MSM is predictably slanting the story. And predictably 2 potential candidates rushed to blame USA.
    "
    7-year-old Guatemalan girl died in Border Patrol custody"
    Congressman Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, said late Thursday in a statement he was "devastated by reports that a seven-year-old girl who was taken into Customs and Border Patrol custody died of dehydration and exhaustion. I'll be asking for a full investigation by the Inspector General and Congress into the conditions and circumstances that led to her death."

    "We can do better as a nation," said Castro, a member of the House Foreign Affairs and House Intelligence Committees."( How?? by sending planes to let all who want in in?)
    "Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke
    of Texas on Thursday called for transparency in the investigation of the child's death.

    "I am deeply saddened by this girl's death. There must be a complete investigation and the results shared with Congress and the public," he tweeted."
    7-year-old Guatemalan girl died in Border Patrol custody

    The girl may have been in Border Patrol custody but we aren't the ones who starved her and forced her to walk without water.ACLU is implying the BP deliberately let her die.
    MSM and Dems are disgusting for the way they are slanting this horrible tragedy that is solely on the adult who was in charge of her.
     
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  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    This Horde really feels entitled.
    Migrants demand bathrooms, shelter in Tijuana
    TIJUANA, Mexico (KGTv) - A group of about 500 self proclaimed migrants from the caravan demanded more public restrooms and the Benito Juárez Stadium be reopened for them to sleep in Thursday.( they want to open air stadium opened for them since it is closer to the border)

    Before the planned press conference, a Honduran yelled at a French activist, calling him an infiltrator. The man defended himself, saying he was there trying to protect the community.

    Later during the press conference two men yelled at the group telling them to leave. Later Thursday, a humanitarian offered a warehouse for the migrants to sleep in.

    This all two days after a different group of 100 migrants demanded entry into the U.S. or $50,000 each to return to their home country.

    Related link : Migrants demand entry or $50,000 during march to US Consulate in Tijuana

    In the U.S. some American sympathy is drying up after hearing these demands, "what a joke, what gives them the right to blackmail our country, our president, to give them $50,000? Are you kidding me? Who does that? Criminals?" Agnes Gibboney walked their path. She was born in Hungary and her family tried twice to escape.

    The first time, when she was two, she woke up and started crying, causing them to get caught. She said everything was taken from them. Gibboney said the second time they escaped, an aunt drugged her so she would sleep through the escape.

    They lived in Brazil for more than a decade and came to the U.S. via her father's Green Card. "My heart goes out to them, but this is not how you do it, because if you do have a legitimate refugee issue, you go to the port of entry, you go to the embassy in your state in your country," she said.

    Her feelings on border security solidified in 2002, when her son was shot and killed by a man she calls a coward, gangster and undocumented. "He was going to shoot my son's friend in the back, because they got into fights and he wanted to get even," she said the bullet was not meant for her son, a father of two.

    The pain she says, has never gone away, "my world.... my world just collapsed."

    She believes all immigrants must be vetted to protect our nation.

    She will be speaking Friday at a press conference held by families that have been traumatized like her, at 11:30 a.m. at the San Ysidro Port of Entry."

    Whoever is coaching the horde needs to get woke.
     
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Supreme Court refuses to restore Trump's temporary asylum restrictions

    The 9th circuit gets blasted on this conservative board often and their reversal rate from the Supreme Court gets used as evidence.

    With this decision the 9th circuit appeals court decision stands.
     
  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The 9th got it right. I'm not surprised they got affirmed.
     
  19. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    So as we discussed; form a line and vet them one by one. The final result may be as Trump expected and tried to mass reject but the law isn't written that way.
     
  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    They can do that by securing the border and simply not permitting illegal entry. However, the executive order is a product of stupid people making bad decisions. That's how even the Ninth Circuit can be made to look sensible.
     
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  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  22. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Stephen Miller?
     
  23. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    OMIGOD. Like you were saying, there should be some sort of penalty for this kind of dumb. It's sickening. And if you pointed it out to the tweeter, he'd dismiss you, double down and his arrogance would grow exponentially. That is because his political beliefs are an emotional response to something he can't handle. It's OCD at a minimum. His picture indicates he thinks he's some sort of transcendental activist. This is part of the mental illness; abject narcissism and egomania.
     
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Yes, the Nazis set up the the Berlin Wall, formally known as the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart. Makes sense.
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    What are the odds he got that idea from watching one of those Netflix shows?
     
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  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Miller is a single issue guy. Hard to imagine him being that stupid. I also can't imagine a White House counsel being that stupid. It's one of two things. It could be Trump directly forcing the issue and ignoring what everybody around him says. He is stupid enough to do it. It could also be the work of others with knowledge that it would get invalidated in court but decided to push it anyway because it would give Trump an opportunity use to judge-bash and amp up the base.
     
  27. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    You're acting like this was so outrageous to try to do. This wan't a 9-0 defeat either. There was only a need for one more conservative judge to get this passed. Before you yell "conservative activism" some of the conservative judges on the SC were doing law before you were born and know it quite well I'm sure. Of course about all of you lawyers think that your interpretation is the one and true way. :p
     
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  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm not really interpreting it. That isn't necessary. The liberal judges didn't have to pull some nutty doctrine out of their asses to strike e EO down. Basically, they just had to know how to read. The law was pretty clear.

    And to be clear, I'm not saying I know more than the conservative justices any more than I know more than the liberal justices do when they butcher the law. I'm saying that they're abusing their judicial power. They're letting their policy and political preferences drive their jurisprudence to an extreme degree at the expense and diminishment of the written law. In other words, they're behaving like liberal judges, but they're not stupid. They know what their doing.
     
  29. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    The law is clear except for one part:
    Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which gives the executive broad authority to suspend or restrict “the entry of any aliens or any class of aliens” if their entry “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”

    The president's team used the same reasoning above in this case as they did in the travel ban. They won that travel ban case. It could have gone either way and was far from judicial activism on the conservatives' part or a stupid thing to try to do.
     
  30. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Conservative judicial activism doesn't exist.
     

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