Kyler Murray wants $15 million to commit to baseball

Report: Kyler Murray wants $15 million to commit to baseball

 

That guy is a trip! What's the over and under on him being a bust IF he goes to the NFL? He doesn't like contact but sooner of later he gonna get cold cocked.

 

Smart of KM to leverage his position for all that he can get. It’s business time.

His arm and mobility are enough to make him a real threat in the NFL, but his size is a liability.

 

He only DECLARED for the NFL draft. He can change his mind and still play at ou UNTIL he signs with an agent. I believe he can still play baseball despite getting drafted and playing in the NFL - he probably won't but technically he could.

 

Worster,

I have posted before, Hart Lee Dykes (Bay City HS and oSu) did that and collected signing bonuses from both the Patriots and the White Sox, which was good since an injury shortened both careers.

 

Yep. Only the unwise would accept first offer. Like Cosmo Kramer.

 

But, Dykes still holds the NCAA record for being involved in the Recruiting Violations and Probation's at THREE different schools!! Guy was a stud. One of the last great outlaw recruits of the decade.

 

I just can’t help but to wish the worst for Murray. No injuries, of course, just a big Johnny-type bust. He’s just a cocky kid who deserves a dose of reality.

Now, I really doubt that he lives up to the hype and if KK thinks he can succeed in the NFL, I say to the — ignorant Cardinals — hey, go for it.

Murray is Michael Vick. The difference is that Vick was bigger, and the gap between Vick’s skill set and the defenders 15 years ago was larger than what Murray would/will face now. Vick was also much tougher. In other words, he could take a hit.

If I am not mistaken, there are two short QBs that have prospered recently, Wilson and Brees. I believe that Murray is considerably shorter than either.

Guess we’ll see. Because of his massive ego, I predict that he goes to the NFL.

 

It could be a 5’7” carnival sideshow that sells a bunch of tickets, for a brief time at least. Might be a good cap off for those Cardinals’ latest move. We need a replacement for the circus.

His Dad tried baseball and then followed the good money to Bum Bright’s Aggies. So the little man can reverse that and follow the money at OU to better money in the NFL. Baseball needs to back off and let the EGO move on. But they won’t. They will prostitute themselves.

 

This is why this whole NFL thing seems like a bluff to me. Apart from situational offensive stuff and maybe on special teams(?) what exactly is this kid going to bring long-term to an NFL roster that justifies the big bucks? Be it in the pocket or using his mobility one too many times, at his size he's one big league hit away from the sidelines. Maybe he's hearing someone in the NFL with throw him the 15m he's trying to fleece the A's for idk. He'll have a longer career in the Majors and by that I mean any career.

 

He's at most 5'9" and 185. Brees may just be 6 flat, but he can stand in the pocket and take a 300lb lineman coming down on him. No way Murray can. I mean he's fast as all get out, but when you roll it shrinks the field too. He's got a good arm, but every QB in the NFL has a good arm. Hell Colt gets bent like a pretzel and he's 220. Kid better be careful. I've seen cocky guys go into the shark tank and come out without a deal when they had 3 offers early. Teams may get tired of the BS pretty quickly. Next year has Tua coming out. I'd pass on an early QB and wait.

 

MLB scouts grade his arm as a plus, but from my time in Austin, Quin Lloyd had a much better and accurate arm. Quin had more pop too. He lasted just one year in the ATL system.

MLB scouts like kylers speed. Yet Joe Bruno covered as much ground in CF, was more productive around the bases. Ditto, Andre Robertson when it came to running the bases.

I think kyler is over rated as a ball player. Just my opinion. To me he's Michael Choice with speed. Not enough pop, not enough of much of anything to stick in the bigs.

 

He did not do much against our baseball club. I believe he had 1 hit the entire weekend against us.

I do agree he's gonna get crushed in the NFL and this is just a bluff to get more $$$ out of the A's. He's small and fast, but in the NFL, the defenders are big and fast.

 

the defenders are big and just as fast.

 

I also believe this is a Scott Boras move to maximize the baseball contract, Murray can play baseball for 15-20 years and make enough money his great grand kids will never have to work, he wont risk that for the un-guaranteed NFL money where he is one play away from ending his career and the average shelf life is 3 years or less.

 

How many 1st round picks never reach the majors for more than a cup of coffee?

 

Interesting question. Looks like its almost 50% of first round picks play more than 3 years in majors.

The Chances of a Drafted Baseball Player Making the Major Leagues: A Quantitative Study | Society for American Baseball Research

 

So, if you're confident in your ability enough to play the long game you have ~50/50 chance of playing at least 3 years in MLB. Whereas, a 1st round pick in the NFL is immediately in "the show" and likely signed to a 4 year deal.

In Murray's situation one has to ask which sport he enjoys more. Were I in his shoes and someone that didn't enjoy the grind of baseball season like I did football, I'd choose the latter, even at the expense of my health and $$$ potential.

The baseball season is soooo damn long and grueling with 82 games on the road.

 

I like the kid and think he should take the baseball money. His two biggest assets are this speed and his arm. Football can take either away on a single play.

The baseball draft is about potential and development, thus the 30+ rounds. Again, the difference in a 225 hitter and a 300 hitter is one hit a week over 162 games.

I do question whether or not his ego will let him ride buses in the minor leagues while making the same as all the other players. The minors are far from glamorous, with attendance frequently being less than his middle school games.

He can opt for football, and if he doesn't like it and doesn't get hurt, baseball will waiting for his speed and arm.

 

I'd think whichever sport he goes with, the contract is going to include a hefty amount of guaranteed money, so the 50/50 proposition in MLB isn't as likely to play a huge factor in the decision making process.

 

Baseball is less of a sure thing than football. He's like the kid from Baltimore but with the ability to pass. That changes things. How does height have any bearing on the ability to take a hit. Heck, some of the toughest OL/DL that I ever faced were the shortest. He's not "slight". Sam Bradford was slight and couldn't take the physicality. Murray is just not tall. He's shown the ability to not be hindered by the lack of height so far.

 

Didn't he already sign a binding contract with Oakland? How could he possibly go back and demand more without ever playing a pitch in their system? I'm guessing the A's can say play for what you agreed to or go play in the NFL and give us back our money.

Considering only 50% of first round picks play in MLB for 3 years or more they would have to think as highly of him as he does himself to agree to more money.

 

OUBubba,
I modified your post with the caveat that I cannot stand this kid and hope he fails miserably at whatever he does.

He's like the kid from Baltimore MINUS 6 INCHES OR SO, but with the ability to pass IN COLLEGE AGAINST MOSTLY INFERIOR COMPETITION . That changes things. How does height have any bearing on the ability to take a hit. HEIGHT DOESN'T BUT BEING AS SMALL AS MURRAY IS DOES Heck, some of the toughest OL/DL that I ever faced were the shortest. HOW STRONG AND THICK WERE THEY? He's not "slight". Sam Bradford was slight and couldn't take the physicality. Murray is just not tall. HE'S VERY VERY SHORT FOR A QB, EVEN BY COLLEGE STANDARDS He's shown the ability to not be hindered by the lack of height so far. IN COLLEGE AGAINST MOSTLY INFERIOR COMPETITION

 

If Sproles can make it in the NFL, Murray can, but not at QB. He is 5'10" at best. How is he going to see over the middle on the deep routes? Roll him out? Worked in college but in the pros, the 6-6 to 6-10 linemen will be just as nimble as he is and the 6-4 to 6-6 LB's will be faster than he is.

 

Russell Wilson seems to be pretty effective at a diminutive height. I'd wager Drew Brees isn't really 6'0" either. Not saying Murray is one of those 2 QBs but the height argument is overblown.

 

That's why God created throwing lanes

 

The kid looked 5'8 to me. Haven't seen any nfl qb's that short.

His contract is likely on baseball cube.com so I'll check it out this weekend. Most if not all MLB players are pretty much slotted at or near the minimum the first 3 years, then eligible for arbitration in years 4-6, then able to apply for free agency (mega bucks) after the 6th season in the bigs.

So the first three seasons a player typically won't get "big money"..., but the minimum is over 500k now. If he can hold a spot in the nfl he might should take it. I see nothing in his baseball skill set to convince me he's a guy that's going to stick around in the bigs.

 

I’ve said it before but to me Murray is Michael Vick, minus the toughness and a few inches, at a time when the speed gap versus the League is not as great as when Vick played. I just cannot see him succeeding as a QB. Perhaps a kickoff or punt returner, or a situation back. But I really don’t think he can take a hit. The kid seems quite “slight” to me.

Vick was tough. Sproles is tough. And thick. Brees is taller. Wilson can take a hit.

We’ll see, but I can’t see it.

 

Given the amount of 6'4 crap that starts for NFL teams right now (and that Flutie did great when given the chance), I refuse to write-off this kid due to his lack of stature.

Taking ousux out of this, I think he should try for both. In life, there really very few people that can be special, like being a 2-sport pro player. If he thinks he can do it and wants to try, I say go for it.

that being said, it's not just height (in terms of taking a beating), it's Mass. having enough meat and bones to take the Force being exerted on it. Short OL are Massive. They are also dense. Guys that weigh a buck.85 can't withstand big hits as easily. It's just physics, not toughness. Sproles as an example of where I think density helps him. Like a short OL.