Sad commentary...............

on what high school ball has become, esp. at the top level where Allen resides.............a glorified farm school much like IMG academy in Florida.........and lord knows what those people pay in property taxes to fund all of this madness..........good/sad read.

Allen is where the best in the state aspire to play. But the football transfers are coming at a cost.

 

Does the article address the UIL eligibility problems like Kyler Murray living in Plano East's attendance zone, but his parents claiming residency in Allen?

 

Very interesting article. Similar stories on a smaller scale at NTX powerhouses Aledo and Southlake. Don't know how many transfers Duncanville has had but I can tell you that defense is incredible. I expect they will give Allen all they can handle tomorrow.

 

Gambill the coach tried the old, "There's bigger problems in the world than what is happening here" dodge.

 

WOW! Color me underwhelmed. Did this writer graduate with honors from the Oklahoma AM&T, body & fender school of jernalizm?

Write about something relevant, like the favorite color prom dress at Highland Park.

This **** has gone on since before I was born. The stories are legendary. I don't recall anyone giving Kyler's mom or dad a job to let them move to Allen.

Remember Donnie Anderson? First round pick of the Packers out of Tech? His dad and two of his brothers owned houses in the 2200 block of 7th street in Port Neches. Donnie's dad got a job in Stinnett so Donnie could play football there.

Breckenridge was notorious for getting fathers jobs in the oil patch to get the kids on the team. After losing the 1953 AAA championship game, they promptly offered Mr Hathorne a job in Breckenridge to get a new QB. Port Neches countered by building a bus maintenance barn that Jackie's dad was in charge of. (Anyone interested, Jackie went to Texas to play football and baseball, but would up starting at QB at four different colleges in four years.)

How many of Stratford's State Championship team lived South of Buffalo Bayou?

Dallas Carter?
Duncanville?
Cedar Hill?
Jack Yates?

One of my favorite programs brought from obscurity to national prominence by a friend of our University. He, however, was far more ingenious than the imposters.

This guy needs to find something important to report. Maybe he should go to the DMN archives and recycle some of Blackie's old Times Herald stories. Better yer, find the archives of the old Fort Worth Press and recycle articles from Blackie, Tex Maule, Dan Jenkins, Tom Murray.

And while I'm at it, I don't recall a governor of Texas sending his private limo to Shreveport to "arrest" a HS RB, and transport him to the State Capitol to help him understand why he NEEDED to play for a certain school.

 

I agree it is an issue, but if parents move into the district, live there, work there and their kid goes to school there I'm not sure much can be done. Maybe make a harsh no recruiting rule where if it is discovered the offending coach is permanently banned from ever coaching in HS again.

Back in the stone ages I had a friend in middle school who played quarterback and was clearly going to be a star in high school. He got recruited to play for private school powerhouse Brentwood Academy in Nashville who was usually in the top 10-20 in the national rankings back then. He went on to start three years for them and they won two state championships when private and public schools were mixed together and played each other in Tennessee. To make it worse they were in our district. It was against the rules and everyone knew what was happening, but nothing was done about it. This is nothing new and it sucks.

What really sucks is how the UIL enforces rules and allows stuff like this to happen. My daughter was in private school her entire life until last year when we decided to pull her out and put her in public school. The school we chose was technically "out of district", but was bigger and had the academic pathway she wanted to pursue. Even though she was 16 and had never attended the "in district" school, which truly sucks BTW, they said she was a transfer and couldn't play varsity softball last year. I see stuff like this going on and I wonder how they get away with it.

I'm curious how many of the 74 transfer kids over the past five years actually saw significant playing time.

 

Virtually all of them, because the transfers took place in middle school or freshman year. You only have to sit for 1 season before you can play. See my Kyler Murray comment.

I keep telling myself that the Twin Creeks parents in West Allen will get sick of the overcrowding and all that, but it doesn't seem to phase them yet. Lovejoy HS is a good lesson that the "outsides" of a school district boundary can take matters into their own hands and come up with a pretty good solution. But when you're surrounded by suburb/exurb boundaries and have nowhere to grow, the only thing that would push out prospective families from moving there would be just tax increases forever and age out the existing families that currently have kids in the district. It's happening to the non-apartment-dwelling Plano ISD families right now.

 

What? You worried 'bout little ol' me? :batseyelashes:

 

I'm not big on over regulating, but the ratios of kids to roster spots is alarmingly poor. There might be something to be said for UIL requiring a capped ratio for school districts.

 

I live in Allen. I enjoy winning football. As the article states, no rules have ever been broken. You can't stop people from moving into your city. Also, size doesn't equate to wins. A more interesting article would explore why the 3 Plano ISD schools (the 2nd, 3rd and 4th largest schools in the state) haven't been relevant in football during the last 25 years. Coaching matters.

 

Whom among us would not move our child from an inferior academic school to a superior one to give our child help at getting into better colleges?

Over the years, I have actually advised parent(s) to move their child to a different school to help them get better coaching, which would lead to better college opportunities. Hard as it is to believe, there are coaches out there that will not lift a finger to help a kid get a scholarship. I detest those people. One of the most infamous is the only coach I've ever stood face to face with and accused him of throwing a game. This clown didn't want any of his players going to the next level, because his lack of success was always the results of no talent. (No it wasn't Lynn Amadee, but he does sound familiar.)

UIL has rules, but most enforcement comes from coaches holding others accountable. That said, my grandson will choose academics & coaching, and I shall move to the appropriate zone, and invite complaints to come discuss it with me.

 

That we know about. If kids are moving in on their own just to be a part of a good program then good for them. If coaches are contacting players and asking them to move then that would be a different story.

 

I may not make any friends with this one, but I think it needs saying, so here goes. It seems to me that underlying a lot of these sorts of problems are certain coaches who think the team is their team. The team belongs to, and is all about, them, not the players. This is not major college or pro ball. For HS and JH sports, it's the players' team and should be all about the players. The whole reason high schools and junior highs have activities is to enrich the experience of the kids, not for a coach to build his own little empire.

Sure, the coach is the boss of the team, as the teacher is the boss of the classroom. The coach makes and enforces rules, calls the plays, etc. But, ultimately, it should be all about the kids. This is true at least until you hit the major college level, where it's essentially a business.

Fortunately, my sense is that this sort of mentality is still in the minority in the youth coaching world.

As for places like Allen, Permian, etc.--if their ISD residents/voters/taxpayers want to spend $100 million for a ridiculous stadium, who are we to stop them (I don't live in that sort of ISD). Those who do, and who oppose that sort of thing, should get together and run a coalition of ISD board candidates against it. You get what you vote for.

 

In the Freddie James era, Carter didn't recruit from feeder schools in DISD. Can't speak for Chambers later on. If anything Chambes had to deal with kids in his district playing for duncanville or de soto etc.

I know this has gone on for a long time in a lot of places, but more districts than not abide by rules be they written or ethical.

 

You ever notice how most of the time when people say "Sad story" or "Sad commentary on ..." its usually not that sad of a situation?

 

Thats sad.

 

It's really sad that you believe it is sad to think that such things are not really sad.

That is all...

/ducks and runs away

 

This thread is now just sad...