2020 Recruiting - Football

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by Joe Fan, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    Don't think we're Sugar Ray yet.
     
  2. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    May not be Roberto Duran, yet, either!
    Perhaps the best boxing career, ever?

    (This is the football recruiting board, isn't it?)
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I hate to agree with sooner but it was something of a football miracle we covered
     
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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    There is no "supposedly" to it and it's not difficult to research

    2018 Team Rankings by 247
    Texas #3
    ou #9

    2019 Team Rankings by 247
    Texas #3
    ou #6
     
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  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This was sort of my original point, back where all this started, which was drawing a parallel between Herman-to-date and Mack Brown's history while at Texas. The only way Mack Brown beat Bobby Stoops was when we were able to completely overwhelm them on talent. That, if talent were equal, Stoops beat Brown more often than not. And, so far at least, Herman vs. Riley looks like a repeat.
     
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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    There is no reason for you to be an *** in the recruiting thread
     
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  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  9. everette

    everette 250+ Posts

    That's exactly what I'm saying. 1900 is not the first year of the 20th. 1901 was the first!
     
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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I think you are right, but I wanted to include that year since it bolstered the argument I was making
     
  12. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    Except for recruiting better in 18 and 19 is not apples and apples since Herman didn't have 11 win seasons and recruiting classes leading up to his first season. Lincoln was left with the cupboard full. Give Herman next season and THEN we'll see who can coach better (though both are outstanding IMO)
     
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  13. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Sooner12345, yes, you won decisively. And yes, our offense didn’t look good. But Texas has no offensive identity?

    It was one game, and Texas went 0-1. If we play again in December, let’s see how it goes. To me the 2019 RRR may turn out to be an aberration. We aren’t that bad, and I’m not sure that OU is that good.

    Like I said, it was one game.
     
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  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Neither are the QBs apples to apples
    Riley is doing it with a new transfer EVERY season
    Imagine that
    If I said that w/o this immediate history, it would sound crazy
     
  15. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    All I meant by “supposedly” was that I think someone said we had better talent than OU because we had outrecruited them, but that would have to take into account 4 or five years, and I’m not sure that’s true. Anyway, my main point is that if you added Hurts to their 2019 #6 class, it would probably overbalance our #3 class as far as value added.

    Soon, we will actually have overall better talent on the field, I think.

    This is what you know about most, so feel free to teach me what I need to learn!
     
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That was me. I said other than the transition year, Herman had out recruited ou (he and Riley both started at these schools the same year)
    Mack did the same most years -- that was kind of the whole idea behind bringing up on in the recruiting forum
     
  17. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    This recruiting bonanza of which you speak will not occur unless we win.
     
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  18. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    So, overall, for the 85 on scholarship right now, you think we have overall higher recruits than they do?
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If we dont count 2017, then yes Herman's recruits are higher ranked, as a group, than Riley's recruits

    Their 2017 class was ranked much higher than ours (#8 v. #27) so if we added all 3 classes together, I am not sure how it would stack up. But I dont think the 2017 classes were apple-to-apple given the circumstances
     
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  20. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    But my question is about the whole rosters that took the field Saturday. Wouldn’t that go back past Herman?
     
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  21. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    looks fast, but that was a bread basket catch imo. run fast, put your hands out in front of your belly, run more
     
  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Sure, that would include Charlie Strong classes

    Using 247 --
    2015
    Texas #10
    ou #15

    2016
    Texas #7
    ou #19

    2017
    Texas #25
    ou #8

    So, we have had higher ranked classes then them in 4 of the last 5 years
    But, as you point out, none of the transfer QBs are included in the rankings
     
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  23. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    I like depth, but there is something to top end talent. that's what i think we're building.
     
  24. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Actually it's even easier than that, you see 247 has a team calculator which compensates for transfers and early entries in the nfl draft. They rank the Texas and Oklahoma as this.

    7. Texas 877.91 3 5'star, 43 4'star
    8. blowu 869.53 5 5'star, 45 4'star

    We have a lot more 3'star players which puts us over them.


    The idea we have much more talent is just not true. They are slightly more talented, for now.

    Actually, none of what we are talking about should be in the recruiting thread, but we are all upset about the loss. I just think a little perspective is in order. Tom has not been anything like any of our previous coaches. Hell I think McWilliams had the best record against Oklahoma and we fired him. Even Mackovic had a great record against blowu and look how he ended. Herman is building something special here. I've been watching Texas since Akers was the coach, none of them have put things together like Herman has.
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That's not a good excuse for turning on recruiting thread posters
    Other threads can get heated, but there is no good reason for this one to join them
     
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  27. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    The response of Herman and the staff is the only thing important now. The loss is on the books.
     
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  28. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Never turned on you Joe, or any poster here. Like I said, we are all a little emotional after this loss. I will say that slamming the program and the staff after a loss is one thing, we are all entitled to our opinion on what we see on the field, but is the Recruiting thread the place to do it? I have no idea who reads this thread, but if recruits do, I'd much rather we put our best foot forward in this thread.
     
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  29. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    Meanwhile, back to our regularly scheduled programming .....

    Quinn Ewers shows out in Carrol vs. Guyer game:

     
  30. Sooner12345

    Sooner12345 < 25 Posts

    Winning a national championship has changed the last 3-4 years and it’s only going to get worse.
    It will take ELITE qb’s to win a national championship going forward.
    Even those championship Alabama teams of the past would struggle to stay up (offensively )with the new and improved super powers .
    If Herman is building something special he better start with recruiting ,developing , and KEEPING elite talent at the QB position , something has yet to do at Texas .
    The best thing that ever happened to OSU was Meyer leaving .
    He still believed inaccurate qbs who can make the occasional throw can still win NCs.
    Same with LSU , a TRUE title contender now .
    Kirby Smart may have the most talented team in the country , but still brings a knife to a gun fight .
    Look what he let leave because of his thumb on the offense .

    College football offensively is an arm race , average qbs won’t even make a playoff, much less win a championship .
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2019

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