Interesting new development

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Austin_Bill, Oct 23, 2019.

  1. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Now you're on to something...



    "USC will probably have the Trojan channel."

     
  2. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    What percentage of the population is from Arizona?

    What percentage has any affiliation with either of those schools?

    I ASU's business school is so great, why can't the graduates get jobs? Why are their MBAs so desperate that they'll take BBA salaries or less?

    To support your argument, SMU has a higher academic ranking than eight of the schools in the Big XII.
     
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  3. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    THAT's WHAT SHE...nm :smh:
     
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  4. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    California legislature does not control either private school USC nor Stanford. PAC12 is a mess with no TV revenue despite great TV markets because they are doing it themselves. USC and Stanford and the AZ schools need the Prestige of a B14 conference and the TV revenue that would flow to them..
     
  5. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    USC is tied to UCLA

    Stanford is tied to Berzerkley

    Delaney's TV contract was originally tied to the number of TVs in a market. He never wanted UMd or Rutgers. Originally his plan was to get UVA and UNC. UVA had legislature problems with VT, but the larger issue was UNC was tied to Duke, the same way as the California schools are tied.

    FWIW, no one follows or watches Maryland or Rutgers, but Delaney got the BigTen a ton of money by grabbing the DC & NYC television count.
     
  6. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    How so? Neither Stanford nor USC is funded by the California legislature.

    Only UC Berkeley and UCLA are state funded.
     
  7. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    I'd be inclined to say that we really don't want a program whose coach was caught on a hot mic admitting he can't coach, but I don't believe the couch burner will be around long enough for THAT to be a factor in this discussion LOL!

    At some point, their penance has to be deemed to have been paid. After all, it isn't like they shot someone and covered it up or got involved with kids and covered THAT up...or covered up the multiple rapes by the football team (same school that covered up a murder).
     
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  8. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    To put it politely, you’re statements are completely inaccurate.

    1. You’re referring to snowbirds and transplants, which Arizona does have a lot of (but so does Texas, and Austin in particular). But that doesn’t account for the thousands of alumni that each schools put out every year. ASU has a larger undergraduate enrollment then Texas and Ohio State.... surprising but true. There are PLENTY of interested eyeballs. And those alumni don’t necessarily even stay in AZ. So they turn on TV sets across the country. Added, AZ transplants and snowbirds watch and go to games more then you might think. And transplants send their kids to ASU and UofA.


    2. “I ASU's business school is so great, why can't the graduates get jobs? Why are their MBAs so desperate that they'll take BBA salaries or less?” This is utter nonsense. The difficulty that MBA grads have experienced getting “good jobs” is relative to previous periods of hiring trends, and it’s a national phenomenon. It is not specific to ASU grads. I have good friends who graduated from Wharton, and they too had difficult times finding “good” jobs at various times. Here’s a fact: last December US News and World Reports ranked ASU’s MBA program #29 in the country...... that ranking includes the likes of Wharton, Columbia, Harvard, Texas, etc. That’s pretty good. And that ranking includes to a large degree post-graduate job placement. So your comments are misguided and flat out wrong.

    Back to the point....... adding the AZ schools would get a good get for the Big 12. Good academics, good weather, and a new unique footprint with a large audience. And the Phoenix area is one of the fastest growing in population in the country.
     
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  9. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    If it was only about the size of the tv market, then Fordham would be the grand prize for any conference to add.


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  10. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The original BigTen TV contract negotiated by Delaney was priced per each TV in their market place. Rutgers has about as much following in NYC as Houston does in Dallas, but Delaney could count every TV in the NYC SMSA for the revenue. The same was true of UMd and DC. The contract has since changed.

    "Figures don't lie, but liars do figure" - Stat 310

    The number of televisions in a school's "trade territory" figures heavily into the negotiations of the conference contract. That said, network executives understand that the percentage of TVs tuned in to college games is significantly higher in the SEC than out in lala land.
     
  11. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    you’re kidding yourself if you think that TV market isn’t a huge consideration, if not the biggest. But so is school enrollment size, size of alumni base, geographic footprint, travel considerations. There’s not a single Power 5 school with an undergrad enrollment under 12,000 (Vanderbilt is the smallest). Fordham is 9,000.
     
  12. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Actually, we're playing one this Saturday. TCU has approximately 8,900 undergrads enrolled.

    Stanford also says hello with approximately 7,000 undergrads enrolled.

    Northwestern might chime in as well...
     
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  13. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Wake Forest with under 4,000 is still a member of the Atlantic Coast Conference, a P5 conference if only barely.
     
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  14. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    But Lala Land watchers have 3X the disposable income of of the SEC dirt wranglers.
     
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  15. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Both of them?
     
  16. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

     
  17. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    Big difference getting into Stanford, Rice or even Texas vs. TCU or SMU or least of all UH.
     
  18. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Getting in to UH is a lot easier since Harold Spradlin developed what is now GPS.
     
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  19. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    Only if it has the safe roads option enabled.
     
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  20. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Tell oSu to get over it or find a new conference.
     
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  21. longhorn47

    longhorn47 500+ Posts

    Why would you put Texas and OU in the same division? And Division B looks pretty weak.
     
  22. Creek

    Creek 1,000+ Posts

    Why we do we care about the academics from other schools in a football conference? It’s subjective anyways.
    Further, why do we care about adding schools?
    They just raid Texas hs talent.
    As it is we are over glammed anyways and it hasn’t helped the football that much.
    We actually have an easy path to the playoffs if we could beat OUgly.
     
  23. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    How about adding USC and the Domers?
     
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  24. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    I don’t see how this enhances the Big 12. To me, we would just be adding numbers, not quality. That’s not to knock the AZ schools but neither bring cache, history or recruiting with them. Population you say? If that was a big factor then ASU and UA would recruit better. I travel to AZ all the time and boosters of both schools constantly complain that they simply cannot draw talent to AZ. Those players go to USC, Stanford or Oregon.

    So I would pass. As others have stated, the jewels of the conference are USC and Stanford, and I agree that neither would come without their rivals, UCLA & Cal. Just can’t see it.

    So unless there is a larger opportunity, I would pass.
     
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  25. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    We have ISU, K-state, Kansas, TTech, Baylor and West Virginia in the Big 12. Occasionally these schools might have spurts of success on the football field. But so far as program history, cache, and recruiting, these aren’t exactly marquee football blue bloods. Yes, Kansas does bring basketball, and Baylor brings women’s basketball. And last year TTech had a break out year in men’s basketball. But it’s not as if there are blockbuster schools filling the Big 12..... see the above list.

    Apologies before on the enrollment topic..... when looking up enrollment numbers, I mistakenly got total enrollment numbers (rather than undergrad) on some of the schools in question.
     
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  26. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    If I remember correctly, ASU graduate school combined with Thunderbird, and if you don't think Thunderbird is a good business school, well I don't know what to tell you.
     
  27. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    It is called relevance. Right now the Pac-12 is a cesspool of revenue for these schools. They can increase their visibility in athletics tremendously by joining a super conference that is just not West Coast based exclusively.

    Remember, there are probably less than 10 schools where football revenues actually support the football program and all other Athletics. Most Athletics run on donations from the school which means taxpayer money Public Schools.
     
  28. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    I would just suggest that the rumors of the demise of the PAC are being greatly exaggerated...

    Apparently the AZ schools are looking for relevance. I’m not sure how that would enhance the Big 12.
     
  29. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    You saved yourself with the "just kidding"! LOL
     
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  30. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

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