Rewatching the Game

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by stanhin, Jan 1, 2020.

  1. stanhin

    stanhin 5,000+ Posts

    Like many of you, I recorded the game and watched it again early this morning. There was one play in the third quarter where Utah tried a simple hand-off and, as soon as he took the ball, the Utah back was overwhelmed and smothered for a loss by three of our defensive linemen (with another one close by), all of whom had beaten their blocks. It reminded me of the early-season, non-conference games in Mack's best years when we would play some sacrificial lamb and just overwhelm them so badly I would be hoping their little players wouldn't get hurt. Haven't seen very many of those kinds of plays in quite awhile. Glad to know it's still possible.
     
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  2. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    I recorded the game and watched it for the first time this AM. Three bowl games in a row, a favored team has lined up against our Longhorns and has been outplayed, out coached and out hit. Now, wouldn't it be nice to see that become a regular occurrence during the regular season?
    Clearly Utah came into this game expecting to win. They ran headlong into a buzz and their frustration in the second half was evident. Their lone touchdown was a gift resulting from a hustle penalty on Coburn. At the least, that should have been offsetting PF's. The Ute player ripped his helmet off intentionally. The automatic first down was a gift.
     
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  3. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    In my mind, this was the best defensive performance since back in 2008 when we had Rak. I'm really hoping the coaches make putting Ossai on the edge a regular thing.

    Man I'm hoping to see Alfred Collins in this defense with Broughton and maybe Umanimen. That would be pretty scary.

    Dear 8 lb 6 oz new born infant Jesus, don't even know a word yet, so infant and cuddly, yet still omnipotent, we thank you for all the games we won, and would ask that you make these new Texas defensive coaches run a 4 man defensive front next year. And please use your Ninja skills to make Kelee Ringo a Texas Longhorn. Amen.
     
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  4. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    There is nothing wrong with the 3 man front. Baylor ran a 3 man front fairly successful wouldn't you say? The 3 man front executed fairly well against Utah.

    Ash prefers a 4 man front, this is his call I guess. The 3 man front executed fairly well against Utah.
     
  5. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Seen on Facebook - best CFB teams in America in 2019:

    1) LSU
    2) Clemson
    3) Texas in a bowl game
     
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  6. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    You are correct, when you have the right players, there is nothing wrong with a 3 man front. Right now, Texas doesn't have the right people. Check out our roster and look closely at the guys we have playing the defensive line. We have a bunch of DTs and a few DE thrown in. Our roster screams that we need to run a 4-3 in order to take advantage of all the quality DTs we have. If we were lacking in Dts and had quality DEs, I'd say we need to run a 3 man front, but we are opposite.

    Next I would point out that our best Dline recruit is Vernon Broughton and he is not a DE nor is he a Nose guard, he is 100% a DT and put him anywhere else and you diminish his effectiveness. As a 3 tech, he is going to destroy everyone, he is too tall to be an effective Nose and too slow to be a 5 or 7 Tech. Put him as a 3 or a 4 technique and you have an All Conference player.
     
  7. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    That TD was a gift in three different ways. Missing the facemask on them. An idiotic rule that penalizes a guy for something it shouldn't (I can't blame the ref for calling it, he'll get downgraded if he doesn't). And then their touchdown didn't even get reviewed even though the guy obviously bobbled the ball and didn't secure it until he was out of bounds.
     
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  8. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    IF YOU'RE NOT FIRST YOU'RE LAST, AUSTIN BILL!!!!!
     
  9. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Add: "P.S. - OU Sucks" :e-face-shades:
     
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  10. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    After re-watching without beer or wine, what became apparent to me is that we won the game with the first two possessions of the 2nd half.

    Kick off and shut them down on 4th and short
    followed by
    Jam it down their throats (via air and ground attack) for a soul crushing touchdown

    Whatever motivational coach speech was given in the locker room at halftime vaporized right there. The Utes body language after that TD spoke to the truth of Mike Tyson's quote "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".
     
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  11. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    As I understand this dumb rule, it makes no provision for the cause of the helmet coming off.
     
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  12. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The only leeway seems to be if the player stops playing when the helmet comes off or continues to play. Does Coburn's making his way over to the tackle to celebrate the stop qualify as "playing on"?
     
  13. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    Yes, it is not like he was trying to make a play.
     
  14. wadster

    wadster 5,000+ Posts

    If you watch it again, Colburn was running toward the Ute player before the tackle. I hate the rule but really left no option for the ref. Only thing for Colburn to do is run away from the play completely. Who can have that level of awareness.
     
  15. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    That was not a 3 man front vs Utah. Learn to count. Baylor lost twice to OU and lost to a depleated UG team with their 3-3-5 defense. Baylor also nearly and should have lost to both Tech and TCU this year with that 3-3-5 defense.
     
  16. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    Simple..STOP and stand there, or pick up helmet and walked toward sideline.
     
  17. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    If he makes his way over AFTER the whistle, he is fine....He continued toward the ball before the whistle.
     
  18. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Colburn did not attempt to participate in the play - no call

    The Utah defender ripped off Colburn's helmet which is the same as facemask. That would have been the correct call.

    We are from the Big XII, where we should be used to Walt Anderson and his hand picked cronies (except for two) blowing the correct call. We should be happy that they didn't call Colburn for targeting or throwing his helmet at the defender.
     
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  19. CreakyHorn

    CreakyHorn 500+ Posts

    I've re-watched the game 3 times now. And yeah, I'm working on getting a life. In the meantime, looking at some of Duvernay's catches. The throws were to the outside. Duvernay was not wide open - the DB was right there. It looks to me like DD stayed on a course more toward the middle, shielding the DB and giving himself the option to reach outside for the ball. How much was pass placement and how much was receiver positioning? I think he's ready for the NFL.
     
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  20. HalRex

    HalRex 1,000+ Posts

    Yes, it was as much Duvy controlling the DB on his path toward the ball as it was E’s ball placement. He is a strong dude.
     
  21. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    The TD catch in particular demonstrated his ability to out-muscle his defender without drawing a flag.
     
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  22. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    In short, those catches were outstanding!
     
  23. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    I’m just into the 2nd half in the re-watch. Of course I am impressed like everyone else, with this — probably unpopular — observation: Ingram still lacks vision big-time. Take a look at two plays:

    2nd Offensive play of the game: He runs into the back of his OLs instead of cutting back. Lanes are there.

    First play after the Jamison return: Same thing. If he cuts back left there is one player to beat, about five yards back, and he probably scores.

    He has the physical skills. If he could somehow develop vision, the kid would be unstoppable. I suspect that BR won’t have the same issue.
     
  24. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Colburn crossed half the field and was within striking distance of an attempted tackle.
     
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  25. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    Take a look at two plays:

    One where he hurdles the tackler. The tackler literally says WTF before he turns around to go after him.

    The last touchdown run of the game. It was designed to go inside between the tackles but was clogged. Keontay sees this and cuts to his left 2 yards from the line and turns on the speed.Outrunning the contain he cuts up field and stiff arms the last tackler and continues to the midfield crossing the goal line because if they are not there, they cannot tackle you.

    No he is not perfect. but nit picking his best effort yet is pinché.
     
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  26. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    As I anticipated...

    Sounds like you are disputing my observation that his lack of vision has prevented him from becoming an elite back. Guess we are each entitled to our own opinions.
     
  27. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Key words "within striking distance of an attempted tackle". Correct, but does this qualify as "participating in the play"? If he just stood there after his helmet was ripped off his head, and a Utah player clocked him would that have been participating in the play?

    This is one of those rules that had good intentions, but unintended consequences and in need of a definition of what "immediately stopping participation" means. It appears that no one thought through the consequences of just stopping while the play is ongoing.
     
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  28. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    You neglected to throw in that Baylor was the best defensive team in the conference. Believe that is more relevant that what you threw out. I can list a lot of teams running the four man fronts too.
     
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  29. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

     

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