Iraq demands US leave their country

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  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    It was assassination, even if a marginally justifiable one.

    I have read many articles from the author of the linked article. He is freedom oriented and rational. He provides data from various sources about reports, and draws some conclusions. I generally agree with them. The imminent threat statement didn't ever ring true to me. But Harsanyi's does, whether I agree with the specific action or not.

    The headline says it all really. But I would add a point. We can't trust the government's account of things either. The military industrial complex is a thing. They are a part of the Deep State, and have their own interests in reporting. The situation in Iraq/Iran is no different. It makes it very hard for anyone to really know what is happening and what should be happening.

    For me to truly approve of military action in Iraq/Iran, I need to understand and agree with the underlying goals and see how the specific action achieves those goals vs. escalates violence unnecessarily. This piece hints at some of those things but not near enough.

    We Can't Trust the Media to Report Honestly on Iran | National Review
     
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  2. Joe Fan

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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    What about military action to eliminate someone in Pakistan?
     
  4. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Bill Kristol is King Neocon and reason 1A why everyone should be against the wars in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan.

    You see how wrong he is, but he is the one applauding all the bombings and troop deployment increases. He was wrong about the Iraq war cost, but not about the cost/failure of sustaining war in the Middle East?
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    And of course, Kristol has now embraced the inner-Trotskyite that is in most neocons.
     
  9. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Yes Deez. But let's not now agree with him in some instances and not others. He is vocal proponent of all foreign war in the ME.
     
  10. Mr. Deez

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    I don't operate that way. I judge issues on the merits - not according to who agrees or disagrees with me. Bernie Sanders supports auditing the Fed. The fact that he's a crackpot socialist doesn't make him any less right on the issue.
     
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  11. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    So even though he has been proven to be wrong on the ME wars according to Joe Fans video, you think he has a good grasp on the situation and is trustworthy when he speaks about them today?
     
  12. Mr. Deez

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    No. I'm saying that I don't judge an issue based on what Kristol thinks of it.
     
  13. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    I agree with you on that.

    My point was more specific. He was wrong about war in the ME, so we should not agree with what he said in the past about them and also what he says now. His understanding has been proven deficient on the subject.
     
  14. Mr. Deez

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    But this is where you go off the deep end. Each issue is different
     
  15. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    The only issue I am talking about is ME wars. What issue are you talking about?
     
  16. Mr. Deez

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    "ME wars" isn't a singular issue.
     
  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Okay. Iraq War since that is the one he was proven wrong about in his understanding.
     
  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Ok, that's fair.
     
  19. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    I think the wars are different enough to be judged separately on their own merits or lack thereof. Heck is Afghanistan even really the "Middle East"? Isn't it Central Asia? Maybe we should have listed to Vizzini?
     
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