Comey and Mueller

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, Jun 9, 2017.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Barr is not all bad
     
  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Barr is all bad. He refuses to prosecute those in the Deep State guilty of lying multiple times to the American people about things of importance. Then he aims his attention at private citizens and how they manage their property.

    Nothing says Deep State elitist more than that.

    If we want Big Tech to be held accountable, you do that by first eliminating any legal preference they are getting regarding taxing, subsidy, funding from government. Then you remove all barriers to competition. If Big Tech is not serving their market well, if "we" don't approve of their practices, the sharks will smell the chum in the water and devour it quickly.

    The problem is they are protected from competition in subtle ways. Remove that and no more problem. If the government pressures them actively into another deal, they will become more beholden to government which means government will entrench them even more.
     
  3. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

     
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  4. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    WE GOT TRUMP NOW!!!!
     
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  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Except Rohrabacher said he never spoke to Trump
    so ???
     
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  6. Joe Fan

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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Go figure -- someone who illegally unmasked American citizens sounds nervous ....

     
  8. Joe Fan

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  9. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

    Would love to hear from the West Mall legal brain trust on the Stone DOJ sentencing recommendation.
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Sounds like Stone got 40 months more than McCabe or Brennan did
    Anthony Weiner only got 18 months for exposing himself to a minor
     
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I am looking at some of the pronouncements of the trial judge, she certainly had a lot to say (for ex, “Stone was not prosecuted for standing up for the President. He was prosecuted for covering up for the President”). She even admitted he got a harsher sentence because she had little tolerance (her word) for Stone exercising his first amendment rights on the twitter. That is not something you see every day. She had banned him from social media completely.

    "This is intolerable to the administration of justice and the courts should not sit idly by, shrug its shoulders and just say it's 'Roger being Roger.'"
    I will say this -- federal judges are among the biggest control freaks you will ever see. Inside their courtroom, they are pretty much omnipotent. And that is how they see it, it is their courtroom, not the govt's or the peoples' but theirs. About the only thing they fear is reversible error and they have all sorts of tricks to get their way while stopping short of committing that foul.
     
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  12. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    It's a shame so many stupid people like this judge have the power to ruin lives.
     
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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    He got 40 months in a federal prison for maybe lying to Congress. This is not a charge we see very often*. We could see it alot more often but it just does not get pushed without a hard political motive. On top of that, everyone in the world knew that the underlying case, from which the Stone prosecution emanated, was funded by the other political party. And the Congress knew it was a farce.

    The judge also deferred the sentence. She still has at least one other motion to deal with first - the lyng juror issue. But, based on all her long-winded political statements today, it seems unlikely she is going to give that much thought. But we will see, you never know for sure.

    One more thing, by deferring sentence until all the appeals have run (which is what I think she did) she removed (I think) the urge for a pardon by the President.


    *update - a friend of mine in DC whose firm has done some of these type cases says you never know what any one judge will do on any one case, plus the Govt's recommendation on sentencing will carry some weight -- but given all that, he would have guessed 30 months at the most
     
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  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Seems pretty clear that Marie Yovanovitch perjured herself before the House
    What are the chances she gets Roger Stoned?
    This was written back in November - It Sure Looks Like Marie Yovanovitch Committed Perjury in Her Testimony

    " ... Early on in her testimony, she stated under oath that the issue of Hunter Biden and Burisma was never brought up to her by the previous administration. Later, though, Rep. Stefanik finally got to ask some questions and that’s where things went off the rails. Under intense questioning, including reading of her prior closed-door testimony, Yovanovitch was forced to admit that the previous administration had indeed brought up the Biden/Burisma issue to her.

    And lest someone argue it may have been a forgettable affair, it wasn’t just in passing. The Obama officials prepping her were apparently so concerned about the issue being raised that it was part of her mock Q and A to get ready for her nomination hearing. These are issues she studied up on and she clearly was aware that the previous administration had briefed her on the matter. Yet, we see her pretty clearly lie about it early on in today’s hearing, only admitting it after being pressed with her prior testimony...."
     
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    And there you go

     
  16. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Nope, nothing will happen except maybe some Rs going on Fox News saying she should be investigated blah blah blah.
     
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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Maybe another "strongly worded letter?"
     
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  18. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, that'll show 'em.
     
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  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Read this article and you can see the Mueller and Comey have been corrupt for over a decade and working to advance powerful Democrats' interests. All the talk of them being appointed by Republicans is irrelevant.

    Blago Is Free | Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr.
     
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  20. LongestHorn

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  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Not really topical but I couldnt figure a better thread



    The indictment charges Charles K. Edwards, 59, of Sandy Spring, Maryland, and Murali Yamazula Venkata, 54, of Aldie, Virginia, with conspiracy to commit theft of government property and to defraud the United States, theft of government property, wire fraud, and aggravated identity theft. The indictment also charges Venkata with destruction of records. The indictment, which was returned on Thursday, March 5, 2020, was unsealed this morning after Edwards and Venkata were taken into custody under the charges.
     
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  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    what a fine fellow
    "Charles K. Edwards, who served as acting DHS inspector general, during the years of Barack Obama’s presidency, from 2011 through 2013, resigned in December 2013 following allegations of abuse of power, withholding documents, misspending of funds, nepotism, and making his staff do his homework for his Ph.D. It was also alleged that he routinely shared drinks and dinner with department leaders and gave them inside information about the timing and findings of investigations, according to the report from an oversight panel of the Homeland Security and Government Operations Committee.
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Anyone surprised?
    The only criminal prosecution brought by Mueller involving Russia is a complete and total sham. The case had to be dismissed.
     
  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The Russia-election hoax was always a 3-legged stool --
    (a) One leg was the case Mueller brought against Russians for alleged social-media trolling of 2016 election, which a judge has now dismissed
    (b) Mueller himself knocked out the "Russian collusion" leg
    (c) Leaving only the Russian "hacking" leg -- which might go away with public testimony from Assange
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This case was dropped on the eve of trial
    The judge dismissed it with prejudice
    The Defense lawyer said DOJ sought an indictment --
    “to make a political statement regarding the outcome of the 2016 election that was grossly overstated”


    Back in July, the judge ordered Team Mueller to cease and desist from making the unsupported claim that the Russian troll farm entities he indicted were directed by the Kremlin as part of a social media influence ops to interfere in the 2016 election. Why? Because there was zero proof of any of it
    Here is an article dealing with what the judge called Mueller's "meddling" evidence https://nypost.com/2019/07/23/ask-mueller-about-his-meddling-evidence/
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  29. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    So time to abolish FISA. Of course it won't happen because the government loves to spy on us and use the FISA as a cover to do that and harass us based on what they find.
     
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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Some more or Team Mueller's hidden evidence is emerging.
    This time it is the testimony of the interpreter who worked the Don Jr. meeting with the Russian woman at Trump Tower. He fully exonerated DJT Jr. And Mueller knew it early. Every one of their cases should be dismissed and they should be prosecuted for what they did here. At a minimum, Andrew Weissman should be disbarred.

    "In Robert Mueller’s final report on the Russia investigation, a little-known translator named Anatoli Samochornov played a bit role, a witness sparsely quoted about the infamous Trump Tower meeting he attended in summer 2016 between Donald Trump Jr. and a mysterious Russian lawyer.

    The most scintillating information Mueller’s team ascribed to Samochornov in the report was a tidbit suggesting a hint of impropriety: The translator admitted he was offered $90,000 by the Russians to pay his legal bills, if he supported the story of Moscow attorney Natalia Veselnitskya. He declined.

    But recently released FBI memos show that Samochornov, a translator trusted by the State Department and other federal agencies, provided agents far more information than was quoted by Mueller, nearly all of it exculpatory to the president’s campaign and his eldest son.

    Despite learning the translator's information on July 12, 2017, just a few days after the media reported on the Trump Tower meeting, the FBI would eventually suggest Donald Trump Jr. was lying and that the event could be seminal to Russian election collusion.

    Samochornov’s eyewitness account entirely debunks the media’s narrative, the FBI memos show....."

    Mueller’s hidden evidence: Translator exonerated Don Jr. in Trump Tower meeting
     

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