2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I watched some but not all of their debates. She had openings to lay out her ideas, especially in the areas of banking, Wall Street and corporate governance. But she never did that. I think she was told not to. That, if she did, she would have no chance of winning as some of her ideas in these fields are pretty radical. These ideas, which she did lay out before she was running, were where she gained her original core supporters. By the end, it seemed like she was confused about who she was anymore and started trying to be all things to all people. It never worked. I wonder if she regrets not being true to herself now, in hindsight?
     
  2. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

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  3. TxnByBirth

    TxnByBirth 1,000+ Posts

    Biden does indeed offer more than Bernie in terms of political power. That dude wrote the book on patronage in (and around) politics.

    Bernie painted himself into a corner by railing against patronage. If he gives it then his base has a WTF moment. If he doesn't then everyone flocks to Biden because he has no compunction about handing out gifts. He does it about as often as he sniffs a woman's hair.
     
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  4. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    In fact, that's his gift to women. Just ask him.
     
  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Like I said, it’s about losing honorably and not hurting down ticket candidates.

     
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  6. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    The candidate debates, if there are any, should be quite entertaining.
     
  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I doubt it would go to the House. For that to happen, Bernie would have to actually get electoral votes. I don't see that happening even in the most Democratic states. He would draw votes away from Biden. (I think he would draw very few away from Trump.) In states that are close enough and which he drew enough votes, Trump would carry those states. The only state where he'd have a chance is maybe Vermont, and even there it would be a long shot.

    But even if it went to the House, Trump would win. Remember, each state only gets to vote once. Wyoming and California get the same number of votes.
     
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  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The biggest glass I have is "ein Maß." It's a full liter, and I only pull that out on special occasions. For example, I used it during the Trump-Clinton debates. I wanted to have a beer buzz during those entire debates.
     
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  9. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The problem is that we kinda did give the federal government that power at least to a point when we enacted the 14th Amendment. Giving the federal courts the power to force states to grant the equal protection of the laws and not to deny life, liberty, or property without due process of laws and far more importantly, to define what all of that means is a massive forfeiture of state power and submission to federal power.

    Like I've said before, I could come up with a plausible rationale to strike down every state law in the United States through the 14th Amendment. I'm not saying I'd win. I'm saying that I could come up with a viable case to bring to court and get to a trial on the merits. Effectively, the federal judiciary has veto power over every state law. I think we've taken it even further than the Reconstruction Congress that authored the amendment intended, but even if followed as they intended, it put the federal government firmly into the driver's seat.

    And of course, we insanely took it to another level when we adopted the direct election of senators and gave the federal government unlimited power to tax personal income (which of course weakened the states' abilities to raise money). I still can't believe the stupid-*** state legislators of the early 20th century were willing to self-neuter to that degree. They gave up the only checks on federal power that they had.
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    According to the latest Dem talking points, both Peter and Beto were just different forms of managing anxiety.
     
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  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm not sure what rationale is worse - this or when he said he got Monica to blow him "because [he] could."
     
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  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    This POS article has more idiocy than one can explain. The overriding theme of it is that Warren is basically right about everything and massively competent and that voters didn't choose her because they were stupid and couldn't handle a confident woman. And of course, none of Warren's merits (of being right or of being competent) are supported by evidence or even much argument. They are just deemed established. And of course, her supposed perfection is extremely debatable. Set aside ideology. Is she more competent or successful than Joe Biden or Mike Bloomberg? Hell-friggin'-no.

    She was a law professor who had to fake being a Native American to get her job. Not seeing a lot of accomplishment there. Is she smart? I guess so but not by law professor standards. I had several law professors who outclass her in brains and some by a very long way. She came up with a government agency. OK, that's nice. Lots of people have done that too. We have thousands of agencies, and every one of them was thought up by somebody. She got elected to the Senate in an extremely blue state. Good for her. Lots of people have done that too.

    The reality is that there is an element of the media to which she is almost genetically engineered to impress. She is far more credentialed than she is accomplished. She is well-educated and pretentious and relates very well to others who are like that and looks down on those who aren't like that. Well, that's our media. They adore her, because they are just like her.

    I also notice another theme in the article that I started noticing in 2016 with regard to Hillary Clinton - it is becoming politically incorrect and taboo to have a problem with a woman's personality or demeanor or to treat them differently because of it. There's a definite push to make it so that a woman can act like a ***** and have it be unacceptable for anyone to treat her differently than if she didn't. Not sure exactly where that's heading, but it's definitely being pushed.
     
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  14. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I am disgruntled that no one else had thought to post that huge beer. Hornfans is slipping, and it does not sit well with me. :cool:
     
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  15. TxnByBirth

    TxnByBirth 1,000+ Posts

    Bless your heart, just go get a deep-dish pizza and relax, big boy.
     
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  16. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I have actually found a great Texas barbecue place up here, believe it or not. The guy honed his craft in Lockhart and Austin.

    Obligatory Longhorn-Chicago deep dish pizza connection info:

    Ike_Sewell
     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Watch that MSNBC clip where they try to deal with some simple math and their endorsement of Warren's plan begins to make more sense
     
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  19. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

     
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  20. TxnByBirth

    TxnByBirth 1,000+ Posts

    I like Ike!!! My grandfather ran an insurance agency in Wills Point and my aunt and her husband ran a small grocery store. My grandparents owned a ranch there as well. Great place to go spend time in the summer when I was a kid.
     
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  21. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    It's the misogyny card. If you want to drive them crazy call them shrill. THEY HATE THAT.

    They greatly resent the image of a strong deep-voiced man as being the only person who can effectively lead a group. John Wayne. Darth Vader. Ha... they can't compete with that Marlboro Man type image and it drives them crazy.
     
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  22. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    So true and about so many.
     
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  23. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

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  24. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    The pity party is in full swing...

    'We persist': Elizabeth Warren says a woman will eventually become president

    I say until you send us a female candidate who is not an arrogant, statist, communist, America hater then you will continue to be crushed. This pity party about losing because you're a woman is BAD for America. You are a narcissist and are assuming you are fit to run the greatest super power in the world because you have some credentials. Instead you are a cancer to our society because your focus is too narrow as virtue signaling social activist. By declaring DEMOCRATS (LOL) to be misogynist is to throw America under the bus because your personal ambitions continue to be delusional. They are not even in the realm of possibility but like a child you continue to believe in Santa Claus because you believe YOU are entitled.
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Shapiro addressed some of this

     
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  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    In her defense, he could have given everybody a check for $1.53 and it would many been more relevant.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    He did give a lot away, just inside the beltway. Here, mini-Mike's campaign staffers confirming what most of us already knew: The entire thing was a ploy for Swamp creatures to make money off a rich guy who was never going to win it.

    ‘This Was a Grift’: Bloomberg Staffers Explain Campaign’s Demise
     
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  30. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    I am SO glad that James Woods is back on Twitter...if he ever decided to escape from California, I would DEFINITELY welcome him as a neighbor...
     
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