Coronavirus

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  1. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    My wife wants to be in the classroom. It's her 25th year teaching, but will be her first time teaching 1st grade. She has no idea how she will establish the necessary relationship with those kids if she can't be with them.
     
  2. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    My wife is in the same boat and is worried about the same thing.
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Except that they are doing what their bosses want them to do
     
  4. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Cases have started to drop in AZ. Will make CA look bad in comparison.
     
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  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Cases are dropping all over actually.
     
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  6. utempire

    utempire 1,000+ Posts

    Liberals claim to care about human lives due to covid but are ok with over half a million abortions per year in the US. Insanity!
     
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  7. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    PPE? Yes. ICU? No.
     
  8. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I was sitting in the medical pod this morning. A nurse got off the phone. A patient was transferred by plane to Bentonville, AR because Tulsa/OKC had no ICU beds available. I'll have a conference call tomorrow morning and will no more officially.
     
  9. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Maybe because people are wearing masks more regular?
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    They can pad the testing numbers and they can even falsely attribute x number of deaths to the coronavirus, but what they cannot do is create more deaths out of thin air (or I dont think they can, at least)

    It's not that hard to work through. New York state started this by demanding older folks with positive tests back into nursing homes and assisted living facilities. The state did this because they were in a panic that the hospitals were going to be overrun. But, of course, the hospitals were never overrun.

    Unfortunately, several other states followed New York's lead -- I think it was New Jersey and Michigan and another one or two. This was a huge mistake. A mistake that cost many unnecessary lives. It was probably the single biggest political mistake in the US at any level since going into Iraq. This is where the majority of corona-deaths occurred and why. And the only reason people (like teachers) dont get this point today is because the media has been covering it up. They do this because the culprits were Democrats.

    In any event, the death rate in Texas/Florida is never going to come anywhere near what happened in New York because we did not follow New York's lead. We did not put elderly patients who tested positive back in nursing homes/assisted living facilities. And we are not going to. It is not that complicated. And, if we had an honest media, everyone would already know this.
     
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    They care more about politics
     
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  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Herd immunity due to cross immunity. Recent papers suggest 20% COVID-19 infection provides herd immunity. How come you don’t hear about cases anymore at the meat packing plants? You think the social distancing there is effective at all?
     
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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The timing of the curve matches the increase and decline of protesting/rioting.
     
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  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Looking at cases across the US over the last 4 months, there have been outbreaks and die outs all over across areas where all kinds of different behavior is followed. P-value is high trying to determine effect of masks.
     
  15. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

  16. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    If wearing a mask is all that is needed, why did we shut down the economy, closed schools and churches, and closed beaches and parks? Alternatively the virus is highly contagious, the masks help a little, and the infection curve peaks due to herd immunity (acquired by COVID and other coronaviruses). The facts support the latter. Further, do you think the social distancing as practiced by Americans in Florida, Texas, and other states of the south (see NC, SC, TN, etc) stops the virus? LULZ. Herd immunity is our only hope and thankfully a lot lower than expected. It could have been much worse.

    Unlike your buddy Husker who disappeared after the Flynn reversal, I will eat crow if I am wrong.
     
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  17. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  18. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Sorry to hear that Bubba. Just heard a friend had her daughter and sister contract it. For each of them was fou like just lasted a bit longer. They were fortunate.
     
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  19. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Can someone supply one study that proves masks are definitely effective? I can find many who say they are not effective.

    Fauci stated they were not effective.
    The CDC said they were not effective.
    WHO stated they were not effective.
     
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  20. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Can someone tell me if Chile did anything different in terms of social distancing on the up slope vs the downslope? Otherwise, why the sign reversal?

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  21. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Wiki says the lockdowns started in March-April. So why the reversal in cases?
     
  22. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Looks like the same thing happened in Chile as everywhere else. If they don't change their testing policy they won't see an uptick. In Texas, we changed test policy in June. Look at the video I posted above. Explains the June-July increase in Texas.
     
  23. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    They are not proven effective at keeping the mask wearer from getting it. I think the large benefit of the masks is to keep the spread of "fluids" to a small area as opposed to a large area. It makes sense. My mask protects you from me, not me from you.
     
  24. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    There is limited to no evidence that your mask protects others even if worn and cared for properly. The link I posted earlier discusses that. The CDC stated that their early recommendation was only due to preventing a run on N-95's by the public.

    My real question is why not make N-95's mandatory? I believe therein lies the answer to this public health problem.
     
  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    N-95s will probably never be manufactured at a volume where everyone can have one.

    I have also watched videos where masks are worn and show where the exhale goes. It goes out of the sides. You may not breathe into a person's face, but you still create a "cloud" of aerosol. The mask itself doesn't filter that out of your inhale. Any mask that can, will restrict Oxygen and can only be worn for a short period of time. The key is room ventilation. You have to break up the "clouds". Dilute them, remove them or at least move them around. That is more important than masks.
     
  26. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I think we are learning about this virus as we go. I listened to an interview by the doc in Germany who first alerted the world of asymptomatic spread and that was not accepted by the medical community initially.
     
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  27. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    It's just funny how we have politicized masks. It's nuts. Unmarked federal officers are kidnapping protesters in Portland yet we're screaming "liberty" when it comes to masks.
     
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  28. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    There are other threads to spew that ******** about "kidnapping" "protesters". Nice attempt at a diversion though. Total ********.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine says

    remote learning is ineffective for younger and special-needs students.

    Weighing the health risks. against the educational risks ... school districts should prioritize reopening schools full time, especially for grades K-5 and students with special needs.

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/19/science-says-again-open-the-schools/
     
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Violent Marxists are being arrested and charged with crimes
     
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