And now we wait. The program on a knife edge.

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Duck Dodgers, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    He was specific then generalized. No way DKR isn’t specific then the deflect to generalization with America.
    Right or wrong the ‘eyes’ issue bothers me and one cannot get much more specific in your belittling than that. But I do agree that were he winning the anger would definitely be tempered, at least I admit it would be for me.
     
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  2. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I call that he said 100,000 people into DKR and that's what he started with. You can dodge it if you want. The entire matter is about The University of Texas. Their players. Their coach. Their campus. Their song.

    They made demands ON THE UNIVERSITY. They did not protest AMERICA as you wish it to mean. They protested very specific things and the coach was all in.
     
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  3. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    This is fair game when the only one that matters is on vacation.
     
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  4. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    I challenge anyone to dissect Herman’s manifesto/rant and explain how he is not calling the entire fan base racist. I’ll read it, so please do so.

    I would also like for those of you who support Herman and believe that he should remain HC after this season to make the case. I know of nothing positive that can be said about him and his performance, other than to suggest that he has recruited well. But even if that is true, what difference does it make if those players don’t perform on the field?

    As I have said, Herman is a dead man walking. It’s just a matter of time, of months.
     
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  5. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Sabre,
    You are correct. I have never been to Vegas. Yikes! :idk:
     
  6. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Only reason to go is the NFR
     
  7. BallsofSteerToo

    BallsofSteerToo 100+ Posts

     
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  8. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    When you are trying to insult people, learn how to quote a post correctly, mmmmkay?

    I see the therapy obviously isn't working.
     
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  9. BallsofSteerToo

    BallsofSteerToo 100+ Posts

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  10. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Feel free to come on up sometime and we can talk about it.
     
  11. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    He seems nice!
     
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  12. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    A real sweetheart.
     
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  13. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Can’t wait for the next post!
     
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  14. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    Maybe you're calling me out, but I've donated. I have no idea why my profile doesn't show it, but for me and maybe others there may be a software issue.
     
  15. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    Maybe you can have only one Banner at a time under your name?
     
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  16. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I'm guessing the prediction champion thing is only there BECAUSE you donate.
     
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  17. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Did I miss someone’s call?
     
  18. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    And to be fair, if OP was correct if the program were on a knife's edge instead of a swamp, we would already be cut in half.:whiteflag::deadhorse::herring:
     
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Scipio Tex's history lesson "Texas Football Coaching Hires: The Small Time, Big Time"

    Kind of long so ....
    This is not a historical reprise of the intricacies of every hire in Texas football history. Let's keep this manageable. What I will illustrate is how often Texas, a clear Top 10 national football program, has thought small and/or hired unproven more often than not in its program history. History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme and our rhymes owe more to MC Hammer than Eric B and Rakim, if you catch my drift.

    Whether simple bad luck, poor administrative hiring acumen, financial constraints, or a lack of awareness of what translates well to the 40, this program can go through some rough patches. We've also hit a lotto ticket here and there, including a power ball ticket named Darrell K Royal. A program can kick *** with a young, energetic riser. But you'd better have supreme confidence in the administration's ability to discern winning attributes, leadership, and what it takes to make it in Austin. Or just have really good luck. Take this ride with me - you'll find it interesting. (h/t to my friend @srr50 for his input on this piece)

    **

    Dana X Bible. I begin with the biggest hire in Texas football history - well, at least up until 1937. Bible won 5 SWC championships at Texas A&M and 6 Big 8 titles in 8 years at Nebraska. He had a 122-34-16 record with 19 years as a head coach under his belt before coming to Texas. The slam dunk hire of his era. Bible was an experienced coach with impeccable credentials and Texas alums, disgusted by slothful underachievement, passed around the hat and signed him to an unprecedented contract: $15,000 a year! A 25% bump over his salary at Nebraska. Bible came to Texas, went 3-14-1 in his first two years, puked and rallied, and then finished out with 3 SWC titles on a 60-17-2 run. Not shabby. We won't hire another coach with anything like his track record for over sixty years. Hire: Very experienced head coach, proven high level track record.

    Blair Cherry. Bible's successor, Blair Cherry, was a longtime Bible assistant. He went 32-10-1 at Texas and then quit. Good coach. Good man. His essay Why I Quit Coaching holds up nicely still today. Insomnia and ulcers from dealing with media and fan criticism plagued him and he had his fill. It didn't help that he was named after a stripper. Hire: no head coaching experience, assistant promotion.

    Ed Price was Cherry's assistant. He was promoted just as Cherry had been. He cruised on Cherry's fumes (23-8 in his first 3 seasons) and then drove it right into the ground (10-19-1) including his 1-9 final season. For an amusing description of that time period, read Jim Dent's portrait of a Longhorn football practice around that time in The Junction Boys. Star players reclining in the grass, flirting with their girlfriends in attendance, good times. Hire: no head coaching experience, assistant promotion.

    DKR. Texas saw what lazy assistant succession had wrought and put on a national search. Let me amend that: a cheap unsuccessful national search. They were rebuffed by Bobby Dodd at Georgia Tech and Michigan State's Duffy Daugherty. Interestingly, both independently mentioned Royal as a good young coach, worthy of a look. Royal was a relatively obscure inexperienced young coach with no real track record. He'd coached the Edmonton Eskimos for a year in the CFL, coached Mississippi State for two, and the Washington Huskies for one. His experience, age, and career coaching record (17-13, never finished higher than 4th in conference) impressed few. Hire him today and Longhorn fans would riot wearing Coaching Matters shirts. He was young, cheap and had the recommendations of the football men of his era. Texas hired him. He went 167-47-5 in Austin. I guess it panned out. Hire: limited head coaching experience, limited track record.

    Fred Akers. The longtime Royal assistant and former high school coach led Wyoming for a scant two years, going 10-13 (but won his conference in Year 2). The politics and machinations of the Akers hire are long and fascinating, but let's just say that his primary qualification was that he was young, familiar, projected the right image, and wasn't DKR or his handpicked successor. He fit the image of the New Texas that the administration wanted: young, optimistic, dapper, affordable, and positive. Akers went 86-31-2 and had only one losing season in his ten years. Akers fielded some incredible defenses here and his time here is best described as...almost. Almost. Hire: limited head coaching experience, limited track record.

    David McWilliams. McWilliams, a longtime DKR and Akers assistant, had exactly one year of head coaching experience. At Texas Tech. Where he went 7-4. The Texas administration was so out of touch with the financial reality of college football that when they interviewed hot national coaching candidate John Cooper (who won the Rose Bowl at Arizona State) their conversation went something like this.

    Texas: We want to hire you, John.

    Cooper: Fantastic. The Texas job speaks for itself. A lifelong dream.

    Texas: We're offering you these $$$.

    Cooper: (Long pause) My coordinators make that. Thank you for your time.

    Texas: OK, who can we get cheap that will please all of the Royalists we've alienated?

    Cooper went on to coach Ohio State. McWilliams was fired after five years. Hire: Very limited head coaching experience, no track record.

    John Mackovic. If folksy, defense-oriented, and local burned us, let's go for icy, stand-offish, offense, NFL pedigree, and national. Unlike so many of his Longhorn predecessors, Mackovic was a decently experienced head coach with a legitimate track record. That track record was one of offensive modernity, defensive indifference, and alienated locker rooms. He was fired as head coach of the Chiefs after taking them to the playoffs for his inability to build player rapport. He had a respectable little run at Illinois with Top 25 rankings in 2 of 4 years, but his last team there went 6-5. He also had defenses led by legendary 3-4 LB DC Lou Tepper. Tepper literally wrote the book on 3-4 linebacking. Mackovic's DC hires at Texas were...less than successful. Hire: Reasonable head coaching experience, average track record.

    Mack Brown. Mack was on the 1st tier of national coaching hires for what he built at UNC and was known as a recruiting marvel with extraordinary EQ and salesmanship, even if the Steve Spurriers of the world mocked his football acumen. Gary Barnett was a 1st tier national darling for what he'd done at Northwestern (they won the freaking Big 10) and thought to be the clear favorite. We were set to hire Barnett, but Mack blew everyone away in an interview. Dodds was told: this is your guy. Mack Brown was the most credentialed football hire in the history of Texas football since Dana X Bible. Dana X Bible was hired in 1937. Big time program, huh? Maybe in revenue and wins. But mindset!? Mack went 158-48 at Texas, with a 64-9 run between 2004-2009. Hire: Deep head coaching experience, strong track record.

    Charlie Strong. National name. A Tier 2 or 3 candidate depending on your perspective at the time. Likable. Seen as "real" and "tough" juxtaposed against the now "fake" and "soft" Mack Brown regime. Political pressures. Korn Ferry consulting buffoons. Limited track record as a head coach (4 years at Louisville, 37-15 record) at a kingmaker program with natural advantages vis a vis peers in a weak conference. Gotta watch out for those. Three painful losing seasons at Texas. Hire: Limited head coaching experience, kingmaker program playing weak schedule, national name.

    Tom Herman. National name. Limited track record as a head coach (only two years at Houston, 22-4) at a kingmaker program with natural advantages vis a vis peers in a weak conference. Gotta watch out for those. Seen as an offensive innovator, with organized, mentally tough teams. Concerns? Immaturity, inflexibility, insecurity. A furious Longhorn fanbase terrified that he'd slip away to another bidder and perceived (or real) lack of viable alternatives made the hire nearly fait accompli. Hire: Very limited head coaching experience, kingmaker program playing weak schedule, national name.

    Pre-Texas years as college head coach for Texas hires since 1937 (then total as head coach, including NFL):

    Bible- 19
    Cherry - 0
    Price- 0
    DKR - 3
    Akers - 2
    McWilliams- 1
    Mackovic - 4 (8)
    Brown - 13
    Strong - 4
    Herman- 2

    Since 1937, exactly 2 of 10 Texas head coaching hires had a decade or more as a head coach with an extensive proven track record preceding their Longhorn hire. Half of our coaches hired since 1937 had two years or less of head coaching experience when hired. 8 of 10 had four years or less as college head coaches before their hire. Texas is a big-time program that has traditionally hired small-time. Many programs have succeeded identifying and hiring young talent with a limited track record. Texas has not been one of them.

    I would add a couple things --
    David McWilliams was the personal choice of Royal. He pushed and got his way
    John Mackovic was the personal choice of Bill Cunningham (I was never a fan of his). This decision caused much internal strife at the time within the UT power structure.
    Charlie Strong was the personal choice of Bill Powers. Patterson (Nov 2013) was on board but Strong (Jan 2014) was not his decision. Powers wanted to put his own stamp on UT Athletics and so he did. But then he was literally chased off the campus just a short while later.
    On Tom Herman, the accepted story is that he was forced on Mike Perrin by Houston-area boosters who had the financial upper hand at the time. I am not sure if this is 100% accurate, but I guess it is all water under the bridge now
     
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  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    So hiring the right head coach is a crap shoot?
     
  21. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Alumni are done with Herman and also done with the 2020 players destroying the tradition that is UT Football both through SJW demands and sheer lack of effort on the field. I care about the program, but will not support their current actions.

    And for a non-sponsor to tell a sponsoring member to GTFO the board fits the current situation. So feel free to sponsor then tell us all to GTFO. I hope that doesn’t hurt your feelings.
     
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  22. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I remember when Romeo Crennel was an up and coming head coach. Anybody watch his decision Sunday to go for 2 late in the game while up by 7? Some coaches should always be assistants.
     
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  23. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    I’m telling Dion.
     
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  24. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    The funny thing is I have had that guy on Ignore for months now, and I keep hearing that he quotes me and continues to talk **** to me.

    It's okay in that guy's "mind" to have an opinion around here as long as it is his opinion as well. Just another internet tough guy.
     
  25. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    Joe Fan
    Thanks for the post. I feel like I know twice as much UT Football history today then I knew last night. Great job!
    Dave
     
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  26. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 5,000+ Posts

    Never said anyone had to agree with me.
    Just calling some out on what I perceive to be hypocrisy.
    Nobody has to agree.
    Certainly haven't made any claim to toughness.
    You may have ignored me but I haven't ignored you so I may reply to your posts.
    And it appears your not really that good at ignoring me. :)
     
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  27. EDT

    EDT 1,000+ Posts

    Tattletail :yes:
     
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  28. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    I was wondering if people were ignoring me....now i know it is a feature!
     
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  29. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    It’s a great thing. Wish I didn’t have to use it.
     
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