Coronavirus

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Clean, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    I also have a germaphobe wife
     
  2. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Sadly, all one need to do is look at what color WilCo was on the recent electoral map. The lunacy moved north like a locust swarm. That made the lunacy infectious even at the local level...
     
  3. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Same here. We don't go out often but my wife tons of masks (Cloth, N95 and cheaper disposable) in the cars, table before you leave the house etc. and she bought sanitizer spay for each car that we us after leaving each store. It's not a burden.
     
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  4. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    Exactly
     
  5. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    There is no evidence that non N-95 masks work. It is very admirable that you have the discipline with your masking techniques.

    Simply pointing to places where Covid cases are higher or lower does not prove masks are the answer. Maybe higher case areas are not washing their hands?

    There are more masking rules now than ever before. Yet cases are up as well.

    Simply observe people wearing masks in public and let me know if you see people wearing them incorrectly or not. It’s very common in the places wear I go and travel.
     
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  6. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    THAT is the problem. Masks work but people don't wear them properly! Hand washing is the most important! I see majority of people NOT wearing the mask properly. SO its a combination of being sanitary that works. Unfortunately most people are not.
     
  7. matt_lee

    matt_lee < 25 Posts

    You scoured the internet to only find essentially an opinion piece which is summarizing a twitter which itself is a screenshot? Look, the study was retracted because of insufficient data not because they found some contrarian evidence that masks are not effective.

    There are actually multiple studies/papers on effectiveness of masks that were either retracted or demanded to be retracted this year.

    Scientists Take Aim at Another Coronavirus Study in a Major Journal

    But none of them is for the reason you think or want it to be. Scientists are not disputing the claim that masks reduce transmission. They are however questioning the rigor and methodologies of some of the studies. That's how science works.

    The consensus in the scientific community is that masks work, period. There are plenty of studies with sound methodologies and data that prove that. Here is a good summary from the most authoritative journal in all of science:

    Face masks: what the data say
     
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  8. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    This is interesting.
    Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
    T G Tunevall1
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    Abstract


    It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.

    Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study - PubMed
     
  9. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Why did the experts at the CDC and WHO state masks did not work back in February? Why did they then state that masks work, but only in protecting others - not the person wearing the mask? Then they changed yet again saying masks protect everyone. They have never tested the efficacy of masks? Seems like Policy #1 type of material for someone with "Control" in the their name.
     
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  10. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    This is a simple, elementary, question. Is it because in the past 10 months or so we have learned more about the virus?
     
  11. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    From February to April-ish the run on masks by everyday people was making it difficult for the people who needed it to get PPE. I made an enemy at work when they were going to require all visitors to wear masks. We had 9 days on hand if we did that. We waited until we had a stockpile for that kind of thing.

    They didn't know about asymptomatic spread until late spring. Maybe as late as May. They didn't classify it as airborne until 9/18. The mask limits the distance your "juice" can travel. It doesn't necessarily protect the wearer as much as it limits the spread from the wearer.

    That's the thing about a novel virus. We are still learning. They don't know how long the vaccine will last. We'll see. I'll take it as soon as I can.
     
  12. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    CoronaVirus has been around since the 1960's. Are you saying they never studied its transmission?
     
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  13. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

  14. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I'm not going to waste the time/effort to link you to articles highlighting when they learned things. You can go to Parler and figure that out for yourself. Jeez.

    Asymptomatic Spread.
    Droplets.
    Airborne.

    Those are thing big things.
     
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    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

  16. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Interesting. How many cases have you documented the cause as not wearing a mask at home?

    Maybe Biden can get us all to wear masks at home.
     
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  17. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    As usual, you miss the point. The virus has been around for a long time and it transmits similarly regardless of the strain. The CDC immediately said cloth masks were not effective, then retracted when there was a run on limited supplies of N-95's. They simply learned how stupid the public is and how to manipulate it.

    Our workers have gotten it from co-workers, patients and family members.
     
  18. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    This is from the trashy right wing article above.

    Nearly 9,300 U.S. health care workers contracted COVID-19, and 27 have died. A majority of those who tested positive (55%) think they were exposed while at work.
     
  19. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Another 27 deaths caused by Donald Trump not wearing a mask. Damn that Trump!
     
  20. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    But this is a different strain of corona

    EDIT: I did not see your post above until now
     
  21. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  22. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Free. Dems getting what they want in a backdoor way here. Socialized medicine.
     
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  23. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    Seriously, what an Unamerican thing to do trying to save lives like that, just disgusting
     
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  24. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I'm all for saving lives, but you get my point don't you?
     
  25. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    If free medication isn't considered socialized medicine to some of you, I can't help you. You have issues. WTF should it be free to everyone? Big pharma and government in bed together.
     
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  26. humahuma

    humahuma 1,000+ Posts

    Big picture If Biden gets in Covid goes away in a year. Economy rocks.
     
  27. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    CDC dumping old deaths into this week's report. They have been holding onto the deaths since July. For some reason now is the time to actually count them.
     
  28. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    In all due respect I participate in socialized medicine and its not too bad to be honest.
     
  29. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 500+ Posts

    Comments like this make me laugh. It does not matter who is President when it comes to the economy or the stock market recovering during this. The market was bullish before the virus outbreak under Trump. Since we now know a time frame of vaccine release the market is returning to its bullish run. It has nothing to do with Trump OR Biden. Its about returning the country to normalcy and economy running properly again. Just because Biden is our next President it has nothing to do with him on the recovery. This has all fallin on Trumps lap and this is his doing. He and his team deserve the credit for getting this all together so fast.
    And it does not matter who is President we ALL hope that this crap is gone in a year. The thought process that just because Biden was elected that means we will no longer have the virus is insane. So if Trump was still President we would still have the virus in a year? Republican insanity/excuses for everything.
     
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  30. humahuma

    humahuma 1,000+ Posts

    Will, I am sane. It’s the media that’s insane. What’s the death rate? Do you know? Probably not. Is it 0.2 %? that’s a bad flu season. Is it 2%? no because more people would have died. The media wants to control the narrative in my opinion, you can laugh, I just laugh that you can’t see that.
     
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