Another Tom Herman Gripe

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by KBBAKER, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. KBBAKER

    KBBAKER 500+ Posts

    I went back and looked at all of Herman's B12 wins. He has (only) won 21 B12 games in 4 years. My gripe is that only 2 of these games were won by a margin of 17+ points (Baylor '17 and TX Tech '19). When they do win, Tom Herman's teams do not blow out conference foes! I have stated that a Tom Herman team starts every game down 7 to 10 points due to his in-game coaching decisions and ineptitude. These are points that have to be made up during the game. It is hard to overcome this every week. When every game is close, losses and mediocrity will occur. There is simply no margin for error.

    I believe Tom's in-game decision making alone are grounds for his termination. He said "the analytics" said to go for it on 4th down at your opponent's 10 yard line. Every junior high coach in America knows to take the easy 3 points, and go up by 7. This way your team can only be tied, not beaten.

    Forget about all his other issues (The Eyes of Texas, Recruiting, Smartest Guy in the Room, etc.), his football IQ is lacking, and causing Texas to lose games. This alone deserves termination. He does not put his team in a position to win.

    How many points has Herman left on the field over the course of 4 seasons? Someone do the research. It has to be staggering.
     
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  2. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    You'll have the usual suspects come in and say you are nitpicking and that margin of victree means nothing. A win is a win!

    BS. You are correct, here.
     
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  3. George Bailey

    George Bailey No beans in my chili, thank you

    BevoBeat streamed Bohls and Golden's segment after the game yesterday. Both said they spoke with folks at high levels within the department after the game yesterday that made it clear that no one at that level knows where they go from here. Both of them made it clear that the uppity ups aren't as sure we need UM as the fans are. (Imagine that, the guys that actually run things knowing more than a bunch of morons on the internet)

    This is starting to feel like we either keep Tom or replace with something along the lines of Charlie v.2 or Tom v.2. I just don't have a good feeling about the long-term health of this program at all...
     
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  4. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    You know George, I've had the uneasy feeling all along that TH is our coach next year. Either way, it's hard to be optimistic about our immediate future. I shudder at the thought of another coaching transition. I shudder at the thought of continuing on the current road.
     
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  5. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    You do the research
     
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  6. KBBAKER

    KBBAKER 500+ Posts

    I'd settle for anyone that knows not to run a fake punt from the 50 yard line on 4th and 8 when you have the damn lead! Pin them deep for the love of God!
     
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  7. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    "Someone call 911!"
     
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  8. KBBAKER

    KBBAKER 500+ Posts

    I would, but it's too depressing.
     
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  9. El Sapo

    El Sapo Bevo's BFF

    I’m not so much concerned about the lack of blowouts, but rather our consistent inability to put lesser opponents away & allow backups to gain meaningful reps in a real game environment. I’m sure this is part of why we’ve been a ‘young’ team for years.

    I have wanted Tom Herman gone since the loss to Oklahoma but if there’s one positive thing I’ll say about him (and this might be my only one) it’s that I haven’t heard him use parity as an excuse for poor coaching & preparation the way Mack tried to.
     
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  10. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    Parity scares you to death.
     
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  11. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    Would you be satisfied if they keep Herman but he’s forced to hire a dynamic OC?
     
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  12. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 5,000+ Posts

    With this wild and crazy 2020 I don't thin Herman is let go.
    But I do believe next year will be make it or break it.
     
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  13. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Son of a Motherless Goat

    Wasn't that supposed to be Yurcich?
     
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  14. El Sapo

    El Sapo Bevo's BFF

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    Wait, what? :lmao:
    What difference would that make anyways if Tom Herman is just going to override him?
     
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  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    ? I thought that is what he did last year?
    You mean Yurcich isn't dynamic?
    :confused2:
     
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  16. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    Every offense out there is smooth and fluid. Then you have us.....like pulling teeth to just get a 1st down.
     
  17. longhornlegend

    longhornlegend 1,000+ Posts

    Makes you wonder if this is like the Mack years where he wouldnt let Harsin run the O and it showed.
     
  18. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Football Coaching fact: The coordinators are the first to go. If no real change the next season everyone goes.
     
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  19. txhorn_et

    txhorn_et 1,000+ Posts

    If we are able to persuade the Big XII to allow Texas to play all games between Sunday and Wednesday, Texas would be undefeated. Everyone knows how great practices are during the week. I’m a bit tired of Coach speak!
     
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  20. majorfan2005

    majorfan2005 100+ Posts

    Mack used to do similar. He’d put the governor on the offense early and scrape out a few points. We’d be praying to have 20 points by half even against very weak opponents.
     
  21. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    One thing that's certainly frustrating to me is his unwavering us of a binder. Every one of those situations should have a footnote with "it depends".

    You go for it on 4th when you have Justin Blalock, Kasey Studdard, Jonathan Scott and Will Allen on the OL. You don't when your OL is getting pushed backwards like a bunch of rag dolls. And you certainly don't try to run it right up the gut.
     
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  22. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Football book smarts but no football common sense.

    Hang on a tick....yep. My binder says I'm correct.
     
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  23. George Bailey

    George Bailey No beans in my chili, thank you

  24. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    That does it for me. I'm calling Monday to renew my tickets. If two guys, who NO ONE in the athletic department will give the time of day as relates to serious issues, say it, I am absolutely buying in.

    Yes, there are people on this board with better sources and confidences than either of those clowns.

    (BTW, the department treats them with the mushroom theory)
     
  25. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    I don't think backups playing against demoralized G5 backups who are down by 40 points really makes that much of a difference to how good those backups get. I'm sure they love being able to get into the game, but I don't think it prepares them at all to face Big 12 starters in a close game.

    The problem to me is twofold:

    1) While it really doesn't matter how many points you win by, there is a difference between "game that could have gone the other way if not for one or two things that the coach doesn't really control" and "game that was solidly in hand and no amount of lucky breaks could have changed it". You rely enough on winning the first kind, and eventually you'll lose some of them. It wasn't that Herman blew the TCU game by fumbling; that's on Ingram. But when you fall behind or only barely lead against crappy teams as often as we do, eventually something like that will happen and we'll lose. Modern analytics have really illustrated this - no coach in the world consistently wins far more close games than they lose year after year after year. And one's record in 1-score games from a given season is a very poor predictor of one's record in 1-score game the following year.

    2) The downside of playing down to crappy competition was supposed to be offset by the upside of playing up to good competition. Well, the most "up" competition we have at Texas is Oklahoma. And he's 1-4 against them. A 20% rate at succeeding at what your calling card says your good at won't cut it. And he's not exactly trending up in that direction either, since after playing well against them our first 3 games under Herman, we've played very poorly our last 2. And we just lost them to them when we should have been at our best and they should have been at their most vulnerable. So I have very little confidence in his ability to beat them in the future either.

    Actually junior high and high school coaches are more likely to go for it there than are college and pro coaches, because they don't have as many eyes on them who are going to blame the decision for the loss if the aggressive move is chosen, yet blame the execution for the loss if the conservative move is chosen.
     

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