2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by ProdigalHorn, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    I'm sure they will try...but in advance, I will also offer the caveat that I am NOT going to brief those issues. I put as much time into that draft as it took me to type it out. Again, not arguments that fall within my area of specialty...
     
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  2. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    I don't have the time or expertise. Fortunately, the opposition lawyers and the judiciary will provide the pleadings appropriate attention.
     
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  3. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Same here. I take no issue with @mb227 post. Why would I? She puts all the usual caveats that it's not her specialty and hasn't researched it but as a lawyer throws out an argument to start.

    Everyone now seems to acknowledge that this TX case is bunk that likely won't reach a hearing with the SCOTUS. It's the antithesis of "states rights" for those that feel they are important. If this case were to go forward and TX prevail the SCOTUS would be mired in State v State lawsuits for decades.
     
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  4. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Oh okay, thanks, guys. Very reasonable.
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    My sense is that if they could survive standing, the Article II issue would get their attention. But they already had one shot at that and declined. So, it seems fruitless.

    But I still want to see Cruz in front of them making the argument, damnit! I suspect they might try to pile on. It would be such a great moment to watch and hear him, standing there all alone, fighting for the people, pushing back against them all at once. They could at least throw us that bone - it would be historic, a 21st Century version of the Scopes Trial
     
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  6. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Someone with standing should bring suit in those states' courts. After all, at their core, these are actually questions of state law. Frankly, Trump's people are doing it right in Georgia (at least now). I don't know if he's going to win, but the lawsuit is not groundless on its face. Going to federal court is trying to force a square peg into a round hole. State courts of last result are the final authority on questions of state law.

    Of course, the problem is that at least one of these states (Pennsylvania) has a hyperpartisan Supreme Court that doesn't care what the law says. They had their own agenda, and frankly, the Pennsylvania legislature should impeach them.

    However, if you can take the State of Pennsylvania to federal court over how it applies state law, you basically forfeit the right of states run their own elections and put federal courts in charge. Do we want to do that just to have a chance to save Donald Trump's ***? I don't. The Supreme Court has actually been moving in the right direction on that issue, and I'd rather they not go backwards. I don't want Xavier Bacerra or that partisan twat in New York hauling Texas into federal court over every manner in which we handle our elections.
     
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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The Ohio AG making the Article II argument in a nutshell

    "I asked SCOTUS to rule on the Electors Clause question presented in Texas’s lawsuit. It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for judges and bureaucrats to change the rules set by state legislatures for selecting electors."


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  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The PA AG filed a pretty bitchy response, saying Dems' cheating should never be able to be challenged, by anyone, ever.

    "The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."
     
  9. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Harumph!!
     
  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The Ohio AG wants the SCOTUS to hear the case but wants TX to lose.
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  11. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I've heard that the SC doesn't want anything to do with any attempt to over turn the election.
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That's not really the job
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    All sorts of folks trying to get in on this effort by Texas to stop Democrats' destruction of honest voting in the US

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  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    They are also looking at Joe Biden's brother
     
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  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Does the media want him out now?
    Is that why they suddenly decided this stuff is news?
     
  16. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I said Kamala would be in after 7 months (actually that Biden would be out in seven months) but heck it might be just 7 weeks.
     
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  17. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Time Mag's Person of the Year: Biden And Harris. A double header.
     
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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Funny how these things work

     
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Is she standing in the pic? or kneeling?
     
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  20. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Why is the Time POTY even a thing anymore? I guess it's just for elitist eggheads who give a crap about other elitists picking some elitist(s) for such a stupid thing.
     
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  21. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Time picked Hitler twice.

    BFD

    George Floyd would have been a better pick. His shenanigans created a lot of news. And now he is a Saint. In heaven with all the other holies
     
  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Triple even

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  23. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV, but if this Texas suit is sooooo baseless, why did the SCOTUS ask for responses from the plaintiff states? Why are so many other state Attorneys General wanting to get in on the act?
     
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  24. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I think it is just media driving the narrative and small minded people buying into that it is baseless. Why would the media say otherwise?
     
  25. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    There are several on here saying the same thing, tho, and calling Paxton an attention ***** to boot.
     
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  26. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Like I said...

    Allowing themselves to be driven by narratives. Smart people otherwise.
     
  27. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    At this rate, it might be a close call on seven hours...
     
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  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    mb
    I 'd put the funny emoji
    But I am not sure you are wrong
    Yesterday's presser was painful and sad to watch.
    I wonder seriously if the Dems on here really want Biden.
    So much criticism of Trump but I don't see support for Biden from them .
     
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  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Anyone remember these guys?

    Public Statement on the Hunter Biden Emails
    October 19, 2020
    We are all individuals who devoted significant portions of our lives to national security. Some of us served in senior positions in policy departments and agencies, and some of us served in senior positions in the Intelligence Community. Some of us were political appointees, and some were career officials. Many of us worked for presidents of both political parties.

    We are all also individuals who see Russia as one of our nation’s primary adversaries. All of us have an understanding of the wide range of Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security, with some of us knowing Russian behavior intimately, as we worked to defend our nation against it for a career. A few of us worked against Russian information operations in the United States in the last several years.

    Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy.

    It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

    What a clown show
    How is it possible not a single one of these "intelligence officials" knew that the Bidens were under criminal investigation for money laundering, corruption and other financial crimes?
    If you ever wonder how we "let" 9/11 happen, it is because people like these were given jobs in our "intelligence community"
    Are they liars or are they just incompetent?

    Jim Clapper
    Mike Hayden
    Leon Paneta
    John Brennany
    Thomas Finger
    Rick Ledgett
    John McLaughlin
    Michael Morell
    Mike Vickers
    Doug Wise
    Nick Rasmussen
    Russ Travers
    Andy Liepman
    John Mosemane
    Larry Pfeiffer
    Jeremy Bash
    Rodney Snydery
    Glenn Gerstell
    David B. Buckley
    Nada Bakos
    PaSy Brandmaier
    James B. Bruce
    David Cariens
    Janice Cariens
    Paul Kolbecy
    Peter Corsell
    Brett Davis
    Roger Zane Georger
    Steven L. Hall
    Kent Harringtony
    Don Hepburn
    Timothy D. Kilbourn
    Ron Marksr
    Jonna Hiestand Mendez
    Emile Nakhlehy
    Gerald A. O’Sheacy
    David Priess
    Pam Purcilly
    Marc Polymeropoulos
    Chris Savosr
    Nick Shapiro
    John Siphergency
    Stephen Slick
    Cynthia Strand
    Greg Tarbell
    David Terry
    Greg Trevertony
    David A. Vanell
    Winston Wiley
    Kristin Wood
     
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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Politico on Hunter, after the election --

    “In addition to Delaware, the securities fraud unit in the Southern District of New York also scrutinized Hunter Biden’s finances, according to the person with direct knowledge of the investigation. The person said that, as of early last year, investigators in Delaware and Washington were also probing potential money laundering and Hunter Biden’s foreign ties. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.”
     

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