'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Namewithheld, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Exactly. Overpopulation became an institution at the UN and other NGO’s. It’s now slowly breaking apart as the earth will likely hit peak population around 2050 and rapidly drop after 2100.
     
  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Yes. That is why Americans now have to do the difficult job of scaling back the bureaucratic state. First, that means we need to realize that the government does not have our interests in mind. Second, it means that we must turn away from the believe that the government will solve any societal problems that exist. Third, it means we need to identify parts of the state that are actively harming or lieying to us and abolish them. We can't do that ourselves, so we need to find candidates who have the integrity and persistence to do it, once elected. We also need to elect State reps and governors who will work to push back against Federal over reach.
     
  3. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Good luck with that Mona.
     
  4. mchammer

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  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    See above. SCOTUS is likely to prune unbridled power from the unelected agencies.
     
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  6. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Maybe, but it’s just one ruling, and they made sure to carefully carve out the healthcare segment. I’ll hold my applause until there are further ‘pruning’ rulings.
     
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  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Let's hear it for those Republican appointees Roberts and Kavanaugh! Here here! True champions of freedom!
     
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  8. mchammer

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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  10. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

     
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  11. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    UTChe96...I've not seen that stat pulled apart that well before. Good Video.
     
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  12. mchammer

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  13. mb227

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    I wish some of these so-called scientists would study some science, specifically the part about the climate ALWAYS having cycles and that we had this thing called the Ice Age, which really was not even unique to one prolonged period of time.
     
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  14. mchammer

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  15. humahuma

    humahuma 1,000+ Posts

    Thank you I predicted a winter storm during winter this year. Over the millions of years of earth there has been several ice age events. One theory snowball earth has the entire earth or most of the earth covered in snow or ice.
     
  16. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    And this is where a bunch of people switch sides and say "But the data from just one year means nothing" and then I say "Welcome. I've been telling you guys that for a couple of decades now and had gotten ignored until now."
     
  17. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    This is the ultimate reply to the OP about being “duped”:

     
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  18. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    I expect the electric vehicle boondoggle to fall apart. But not without the government trying to outlaw ICE vehicles.
     
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  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Agree Mona
    Biden etal is already trying
    And Calif is aiding him/them
     
  21. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  22. mchammer

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  23. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    It will fail unless the US starts building nuclear power plants.
     
  24. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Those 2 issues are decoupled. EVs themselves are not an efficient use of money and they have real problems with safety and transportation quality.
     
  25. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    A good politician can couple them. Also Tesla cars have lower accident per mile by a factor of 10. Half is driver selection and half is safety features.
     
  26. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    EVs will be the dominant vehicle form within 20 years. They do make more sense and they have gotten exponentially better over the last 30 years. They have a ways to go but they will win for most applications. I already like my battery powered weedeater and chainsaw better than the old gas versions. Its technology. The historically proven trend is that it will get better. Batteries have gotten 10X better over the last 20 years alone. they putter along at 2-3% improvement for a few years and then someone thinks of a very different way to build them and they leap ahead by 7-10%. EV's will dominate most ground transportation in short order. That is a different issue than whether Climate Change is real or as significant as the liberals want people to believe.
     
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  27. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    I think it is mostly driver selection. They can handle high speed turns better and they do accelerate faster. But those things don't relate to safety.
     
  28. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    There are way way too expensive right now, and they take an hour to fully charge and the range is short.

    The only way to improve those things is to make the batteries more expensive and more unstable and dangerous. There has been much improvement over the years, but Li+ battery technology isn't the same as computer chips. The physics don't provide a path to cost parity right now. There will have to be a an unforeseen breakthrough for that to occur. Could it happen in 20 years? Sure. I wouldn't bet on it.
     
  29. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    except that the leaps forward haven't been just by tweaking the existing chemical composition of existing batteries. the leaps forward have been by someone imaging the problem with totally different chemistry. The cost per Kwh has dropped by 90% in just the last decade. Another decade of that type of improvement and EV's will actually be a bargain compared to ICE.
     
  30. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Hey bo, how long have you had the weed eater and chainsaw? I’ve considered but battery cost for those and experience with my current battery powered equip (drills etc) not lasting that long, has kept me on the gas for portability or corded when portability (and power of plug in) not an issue.
     

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