Can anyone justify NOT having the Wall?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  2. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    No, Canada is a real country that protects its borders.
     
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  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Slojo is building Trump's wall in Yuma Az. You know the wall Biden said over and over and over he would not add 1ft?
     
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  4. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Glad he is building it.

    Even more glad he looks like a flip flopping cheese dick politician for doing so.
     
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  5. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    It makes sense to complete portions that were unfinished. I wonder if we can get those funds that Bannon raised to build the wall?
     
  6. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    :lmao:
    ""There will not be another foot of wall constructed on my administration, No. 1," he told NPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro during an interview with journalists from the National Association of Black Journalists and National Association of Hispanic Journalists.
    "I'm going to make sure that we have border protection, but it's going to be based on making sure that we use high-tech capacity to deal with it. And at the ports of entry — that's where all the bad stuff is happening," the former vice president said during the virtual interview on Tuesday.
    Biden Would End Border Wall Construction, But Wouldn't Tear Down Trump's Additions
    Oh yea?
    "Yuma, where four wide gaps make it among the busiest corridors for illegal crossings."

    And this
    "More than a $100 million worth of taxpayer-paid border wall materials have been discarded and are going to waste in Texas after President Biden ended construction of the barrier when he entered the White House in January and canceled contracts for its construction, according to a report.

    A Fox News drone captured footage of around 10,000 steel panels — enough to build 100 miles of wall — rusting in the sun in Pharr, Texas, since January.
    More than a $100 million worth of taxpayer-paid border wall materials have been discarded and are going to waste in Texas after President Biden ended construction of the barrier when he entered the White House in January and canceled contracts for its construction, according to a report. "

    Demz are such complete bitter idiots. The ONLY reason they stopped the wall was because Trump started it.
     
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  7. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    to me, this is all about negative photo ops. these gaps in the wall act like funnels and it becomes obvious and undeniable when there are routinely pictures of masses of people pouring through. This has little to do with 'wall building' and much more to do with limiting negative photo ops.
     
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  8. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Yep. It was 100% showboating and grandstanding, and 0% thoughtfully considered policy.
     
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  9. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Hahaha, nice capitulation Bubba. I’m not going to go back and search but I am certain I remember you saying the wall was essentially worthless. The funneling aspect, that is moving the channeling the flow is exactly what proponents of the wall have espoused over and over. It won’t stop illegals but it would sure make for less opportunities.
     
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  10. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I'm not for the wall. I'm ok with a wall as part of our southern border in certain spaces. I think it's fine in places. A contiguous wall from the Gulf to the Pacific is laughable. I want real resources put into punishing hiring illegals. Turn off the spicket and they'll go back home.
     
  11. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I did the research for you. I deleted out the non-wall related comments and a few snarky comments non wall related.
     
  12. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    You da man Bubba.
     
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  13. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    There was a wreck on the one lane 3 mile section going across the lake. Traffic was dead so I stayed at work. We are on month 19 of this project.
     
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  14. guy4321

    guy4321 2,500+ Posts

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  15. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    No they won't your people will just prop them up with free healthcare and monthly funding. That's part of the reason they come here in the first place, not necessarily jobs.
     
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  16. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    E-verify was supposed to cut off the spigot so what happened? Businesses are already tax collectors for the government so now they have to handle illegal immigration for the feds too?
     
  17. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 2,500+ Posts


    1- you're encouraging entrapment. How thoughtful

    2- I'm sure you meant to type "spigot". Don't let NPR see what you typed . You'll be unfairly stereotyped like the rest of us...
     
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  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    E-Verify isn't required. It should be, but it isn't.
     
  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The welfare benefits illegal immigrations are eligible for wouldn't be enough on their own to attract them to the US. (Keep in mind that Mexico almost has universal healthcare coverage. Unless they become Medicaid eligible, the American system is likely less favorable to them than what they're coming from.) The big upside for them is employment. A low-skilled worker in the US can make a good 7 - 10 times as much money as a similar person makes in Mexico. It's not a lot for the US, but if you cram 4 or 5 Mexican dudes into a 2-bedroom ******** on Rundberg or East Riverside (where they'll decorate their walls with the Virgin Mary and a cross next to centerfolds of naked chicks - I've seen this many times), not only can they survive, they can make enough to support their families in Mexico.
     
  20. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

  22. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    The reason why is that it's a logistics nightmare to enforce every business to do it and to keep the database up to date. It sounds good in theory but doesn't work in reality.
     
  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    This is why (1) it should be federal. The infrastructure for enforcing the tax code is already in place. (2) it should be enforceable by private action.
     
  24. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah, start getting people who are citizens be labeled illegals and watch the lawsuits mount. That's what we'll see.
     
  25. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Obviously as part of any federal law, there'd have to be some legal protections for businesses following the law in good faith. For example, if a business uses e-verify and it doesn't confirm the applicant to be legal to hire, that business should be immune from any kind of discrimination lawsuit.
     
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  26. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    You have to offer employment and get the I9 filled out BEFORE you get E verify.
    When it comes back Tentative Non confirmation the next steps can be tricky. The person has to be given the chance to prove legality.
    . You get the person to sign the TNC and you have to notify the Gov't the person is contesting the TNC. Extra work burdensome to many employers.
    While this is going on the person is considered an employee which halts the hiring process. Once employed it is a long process to legally get rid of them even when illegal.
    Now that Biden is giving SSNs to illegals as they break in the quagmire just got deeper and wider

    In most small businesses it is not reasonable or possible to do all of that to hire a laborer.
    People talk about the big Home Builders as being the people hiring all the illegals.
    But reality is the Home Builders sub contracts nearly everything
    And the Subs are typically small small biz with no one to handle all the paperwork.

    And you wonder why people don't use E verify
    There should be a way to verify BEFORE you offer employment
     
  27. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Should the government be sued for their mistakes then because there will be plenty. If you think the feds can run this database accurately then you haven't been paying attention to the government over the last few decades.
     
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  28. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I dispute that. E-verify is not a nightmare. That is outdated perception of the process. Like most programs (gov't & civ) the early days had errors and hiccups and naysayers have been using that as justification for the last decade.

    "E-Verify provides an easy electronic submission process. Also, it is one of the highest-rated government programs in terms of user satisfaction."

    "The whole onboarding process only takes minutes. New employees complete everything on their phone & managers use their dashboard to finish up."

    "TEXAS--Enrolled MOUs: 71,918. ---Additional Statistics; Hiring Sites: 222,564; FY2021 Cases: 930,265; Usage past 365 days: 18,252; FY2021 Cases: 930,265"
    (E-Verify Usage Statistics)
     
  29. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    BOSD
    That is AFTER you have offered the person the job. And believe me then it is a timely nightmare if you get back a TNC.
    For companies with HR depts the extra work is manageable but for many of the smaller companies and sub contractors who do everything themselves including much of the actual work it is a burden.
    Plus you now have an employee for as long as it takes to do the vetting process. Do you think many of these people know what to do?
    There should be a way to find out BEFORE you hire someone. You can NOT ask someone to prove they are legal to work here until you offer them employment. INSANE
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Right. All that ******** should go. Whether the employer checks E-verify before or after offering employment should be no consequence, because it doesn't change anything. If the applicant isn't legal under E-verify, he can't be hired - period.

    This is part of the homebuilders racket. It's how they effectively make hospitals and the taxpayer pay for their workers compensation scheme and cheat on income taxes and FICA. It shouldn't be tolerated on illegal immigration. If they hire subs and don't make an effort to ensure that the subs hire legal workers, they should be fined. If they want an indemnification from their subs, that's fine, but the fine should be paid.
     

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