Chizik: What-iffing?

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by oldgeezer, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. NBMisha

    NBMisha 500+ Posts

    Geezer
    Pazhaluista.
     
  2. stanhin

    stanhin 5,000+ Posts


     
  3. alt875

    alt875 250+ Posts

    I'm going to play devil's advocate, and say hail Satan.
     
  4. Orange&White

    Orange&White 1,000+ Posts

    This is nothing but but pure conjecture, but I never felt like Chizik left on his own terms. I think he may have been encouraged to seek employment. Mack made some odd-for-Mack comments after that season and Chizik took a job that didn't strike me as the kind of job that someone with a clearly defined career path would have taken. It seemed more like the kind of job you take when it was really only the best of a bunch of bad options that are available at a time when you really have to choose one of them.
     
  5. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    Let me translate for some of the others that are parsing words and being PC.

    No.
     
  6. alt875

    alt875 250+ Posts

    So then we're about 50/50 on this issue?
     
  7. austintex

    austintex 500+ Posts

    I think I'm going to have to say ... maybe?
     
  8. ScoPro

    ScoPro 1,000+ Posts

    From one old geezer to another:

    No, by cracky!
     
  9. homerX

    homerX 100+ Posts


     
  10. coolhorn

    coolhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Chizik was good for us at the time, but I doubt he would have gotten the same offer. In a word, negatory, Little Beaver.
     
  11. naphan

    naphan 250+ Posts

    01101110 01101111
     
  12. centexorange

    centexorange 1,000+ Posts

    DC to look at the big picture rather than head for the big money

    900 thousand a yr makes it a bit easier to wait.
     
  13. alt875

    alt875 250+ Posts


     
  14. texashorne

    texashorne 250+ Posts

    When Muschamp takes over for Mack Chizic could come be the D coordinator.
     
  15. Sip94

    Sip94 500+ Posts

    Yes!

    Oh wait....NO!
     
  16. eddro134

    eddro134 < 25 Posts

    WM and GC have 10 complete different personalities. Muschamp is fiery and gets on to the team as hard as anyone but something about his personality makes people want to work hard and impress him. It's the old Respected &#62; Feared.
     
  17. kchorn

    kchorn 250+ Posts

    Here are the comparative NCAA stats (nationally) for the Horns' defense under, respectively, Gene Chizik (2006) and Will Muschamp (2008):

    (1) Total Defense - No. 22 (Chizik) and No. 58 (Muschamp).

    (2) Rushing Defense - No. 3 (Chizik) and No. 4 (Muschamp).

    (3) Passing Defense - No. 99 (Chizik) and No. 110 (Muschamp).

    (4) Scoring Defense - No. 26 yielding 18 points per game (Chizik) and No. 25 yielding 19 points per game (Muschamp).

    (5) Sacks - No. 10 (Chizik) and No. 2 (Muschamp).

    (6) Tackles for Loss - No. 13 (Chizik) and No. 24 (Muschamp).

    (7) Passing-Efficiency Defense - No. 75 (Chizik) and No. 59 (Muschamp).

    Summary: When you strip away the emotional issues, Chizik arguably did a better job as the Horns' Defensive Coordinator than is indicated by the conventional wisdom (as reflected by some of the posts on this thread).

    Hook 'em. [​IMG]
     
  18. Burnt Orange Bevo

    Burnt Orange Bevo 1,000+ Posts


     
  19. kchorn

    kchorn 250+ Posts

    Burnt Orange Bevo - your point is well-taken; however, the comparative stats previously mentioned relate to the Horns' defense under Chizik in the 2006 football season.

    Here are the comparative stats for the Horns' defense in the 2005 (rather than 2006) and 2008 seasons under, respectively, Gene Chizik and Will Muschamp:

    (1) Total Defense - No. 10 (Chizik) and No. 58 (Muschamp).

    (2) Rushing Defense - No. 33 (Chizik) and No. 4 (Muschamp).

    (3) Passing Defense - No. 8 (Chizik) and No. 110 (Muschamp).

    (4) Scoring Defense - No. 8 (Chizik) and No. 25 (Muschamp).

    (5) Sacks - No. 39 (Chizik) and No. 2 (Muschamp).

    (6) Tackles for Loss - No. 29 (Chizik) and No. 24 (Muschamp).

    (7) Passing-Efficiency Defense - No. 4 (Chizik) and No. 59 (Muschamp).

    Summary: Chizik's defense with the 2005 MNC Horns would appear to have an overall advantage in comparison to the Horns' 2008 defense.

    Hook 'em. [​IMG]
     
  20. Maduka

    Maduka 250+ Posts

    Chiziks D didn't do what it promised. Mainly blitz and play Tampa two coverage. We didn't do either. It was an uneventful defense. All too many times the LB would come up close to the line and look like a 5 man front. We must have done that play 100 times during 05 and 06. Our LB's were still average, and the "want to" wasn't there either. Our pass rush this year is LIGHTYEARS better then in 06. Keep in mind too, The Chiz was working with a defense full of NFL players. The same can't be said about this year. Muschamp preached being "multiple" in our defensive approach. And we have been. Most sacks in the Big XII, and the least points allowed. And this is the best Division in college football.

    So all this brings me to answer your question.

    No.
     
  21. hornphil

    hornphil 25+ Posts

    The D does seem to be playing with a fire I haven't seen since Robinson/Tomey's year.
     
  22. puckhead

    puckhead 100+ Posts

    Thanks to kc and maduka for putting in more than 2 seconds worth of thought.
     
  23. Nordberg

    Nordberg 1,000+ Posts


     
  24. Steel Shank

    Steel Shank 1,000+ Posts

    No man means all he says, and yet very few say all they mean, for words are slippery and thought is viscous.
    - Henry B. Adams
     

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