George W Bush : Lowest Final Approval Rating

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by AustinBadger, Jan 19, 2009.

  1. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn 1,000+ Posts

    People calling on the president to be prosecuted, after leaving office, for essentially political decisions, are wild eyed freaks.

    Olberman is a wild eyed freak- nothing bush could do could ever be considered good by him. That's what I'm talking about. If you cannot see that there is a crackpot element to the left with a fatal case of Bush Derangement Syndrome then you have no ability to see reality.

    I'm sure that we will see such a syndrome develop around Obama. We saw it with Clinton. I hope I'm not of that ilk. Just b/c it doesn't sound nice to you does not mean it isn't reality.

    I'm not talking about people who think Bush was a ****** president. I'm talking about people who are lunatics. Don't confuse the two.
     
  2. Bayerithe

    Bayerithe 1,000+ Posts

    You can thank Clinton for the so called "depression", which is really a recession.
     
  3. YoLaDu

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  4. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    It's an old Republican ploy- Spiro Agnew blamed the media for his woes, as did Nixon. And the Media conspiracy conspiricists will now find that the media investigates power, not only Republicans... [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] And perhaps we can end the media mistreatment pity party our right wing friends have been wallowing the past 8 years.... indeed President Bush just a few short days ago even referred to "the elites" as somehow the only critical group of his Presidency... when in fact it was the clear majority of the people.

    Maybe actions do have consequences? [​IMG] maybe?
     
  5. Fievel121

    Fievel121 2,500+ Posts


     
  6. YoLaDu

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  7. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn 1,000+ Posts

    I don't think it's all that fair to put this on Clinton either (I assume you are speaking about the housing bubble bursting).

    Bush was fine with loose money policy's in the fed and liked to tout (when we were coming out of our post 9/11 recession) home ownership levels being at record highs as a sign of a good economy.

    I'd put the blame (to the extent it's necessary) on the wizards of smart that collateralized, bundled up, borrowed and turned into derivatives all the mortgage backed securities.

    If it weren't for the extensive leveraging this housing "crisis" would be nothing more than a pimple on the *** of the US economy. Still we are at less then 5% foreclosure, right?

    And it isn't like those forclosed upon houses are worth nothing. Call it the lender gets back 60 or 70 cents on the dollar, on 5% of the housing market going into foreclosure and it's not big deal (we are talking about less than 300 billion total loss- probably much less then that). That would be more or less easy to swallow. The problem is with the derivatives, something precious few people understand.

    The Math at loss (if no derivatives).

    15 trillion in mortgages with 5% in foreclosure yields 750 billion in dollars under foreclosure. Factor in 65% recovery and you've got about a $265 billion dollar loss.

    We aren't at 5% in foreclosure so the number is probably much lower in actuallity. It's the leveraging that wrecked the system and with it, in good measure, the economy. I don't think Clinton deserves any more blame then Bush for all of that.
     
  8. jprizzle

    jprizzle 100+ Posts

    I can't be the only one who starts reading a post, trying to judge it objectively on merit of thought, but then gets to the word sheeple and laughs and moves to the next post.

    Anyway, I don't know that Bush should be picked up and prosecuted. I think time will tell. I do believe there should be an investigation into any breaking of constitutional laws. This is a country based on the rule of law and what message are we sending to future executives when it becomes acceptable to disregard our most sacred document?

    And it's not because I'm a wild-eyed freak, they shouldn't go pick him up now, but there should be an investigation into the executive (and pseudo-executive vice-presidential office Cheney created) branch. If something comes of it, then we can talk about pressing charges.

    Observed due process, and don't turn it into some sort of partisan frenzy, but ignoring it would be abdicating our responsibility as a free nation to ensure justice, liberty of future generations and safety from future tyranny.

    You can't break laws like that (IF he did) and walk scot-free, even if you're the President.
     
  9. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    Is that lower than Nixon?

    Interesting that Clinton and Reagan exited with the exact same approval rating. Also interesting Bush recieved the highest marks ever. (a real lost opportunity IMHO)
     
  10. yelladawgdem

    yelladawgdem 2,500+ Posts

    The two wing nuts he put on the high court will be the most damning.

    The Reagan-Bush-Bush Reign of Error will be with us another 30 years.
     
  11. Oilfield

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  12. Lone Star

    Lone Star 500+ Posts

    Could you guys get your stories straight? On one hand, we have the concept that you cannot judge a Presidency until at least 25 have passed (which I find ironic as this some how does not stop the same poster from laying into Clinton).


     
  13. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    So WuLaw woudl you characterize those that thought Bush was a very good President as lunatics? [​IMG] Probably if you consider Bush a ****** President you are in the camp of the Non-Looney.

    Bush authorized torture, and the US has prosecuted those who used the same torture techniques as we did. Olberman points this out repetitively. IF we wanted to truly apply the rule of law universally..... But that's not what we need politically. Despite the moral correctness of such a postion.

    what is repetitively comical to me is that while the Pubs talk a great game regarding personal responsiblity, they run like scalded dogs from ever actually taking the responsiblity for their mistakes.
     
  14. Oilfield

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  15. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts


     
  16. Hu_Fan

    Hu_Fan Guest

    I'd like to give a low approval rating to the electorate that still does not know the difference between the two major parties.

    Answer: there is none.
     
  17. stanhin

    stanhin 5,000+ Posts


     
  18. SullHorn

    SullHorn 100+ Posts


     
  19. triplehorn

    triplehorn 2,500+ Posts

  20. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    The law and order party protests even an investigation if it is of one of their own.

    The accountability party outbends a pretzel in order to deflect blame to their usual suspects: the press and the Dems.

    Bush's unpopularity is not a problem of presentation. (To say a White House where Karl Rove had a major say and dreamed of a "permanent GOP majority" was not always in campaign mode is sadly out of touch with reality).

    Bush's unpopularity is not a Dem problem. The economy goes acrapper and you point at a Representative from Massachussetts. The war goes acrapper and you have the gall to point to the press, especially the NYT, who cheer led the whole idea and was complicit in the disastrous policy. You also point to the Dems whose main problem was they were too weak to vote in opposition to the same disastrous policy of invasion.

    That's just the tip of the iceberg. The "adults" were now in charge to restore "honor and decency" to the White House. There would be accountability! When it's all over, the best the adults can do is use Clinton as a standard, a standard they never came close to matching.

    Mission Accomplished = Fail

    George Orwell would chuckle grimly.
     
  21. TexonLongIsland

    TexonLongIsland 2,500+ Posts


     
  22. stanhin

    stanhin 5,000+ Posts


     
  23. naked_bongo

    naked_bongo 500+ Posts


     
  24. Oilfield

    Oilfield Guest

    I must have missed the presidential election that Rove lost. Last time I checked he was 2-0.
     
  25. naked_bongo

    naked_bongo 500+ Posts


     
  26. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    Wow, two missed points.

    The point was about Bush being too good or pure or whatever to be in constant campaign mode. My point about Rove has to do with that.

    If Obama's administration is in constant campaign mode has little to do with the original point about Bush. But I suppose it is hard from going to the default "The Dem does it, too!." You despise the Dems, but they are your standard.

    The point about Rove's presidential success seems to support the idea of constant campaigning rather than to deny it.
     
  27. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn 1,000+ Posts

    Lone Star- your post is total and utter ********. You quoted two separate posters (me and someone else) and tried to say there was a lack of consistency. Well no freaking kidding, why should we share the same opinions.

    In fact, I responded to that post disagreeing with it and saying that I don't think the housing bubble bursting and that spilling over and wrecking the economy should be blamed too much on Clinton or Bush.

    Why don't you try some reading comprehension, or at least don't freaking quote me in one place and then someone that I disagreed with in another place and pretend that I am in some way a schizo in my opinions.

    Bush league and poorly played
     
  28. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn 1,000+ Posts

    RV-

    We'll just have to agree to disagree here. I don't think Bush was ever in campaign mode the way, say, Clinton was. I think Bush just did what he was going to do, for good or for ill and left it at that. I'm not making a value judgement here as to if one way is better then another- just saying that's the way I see it.
     
  29. TexonLongIsland

    TexonLongIsland 2,500+ Posts


     
  30. roy_batty

    roy_batty 250+ Posts


     

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