Beheading in Buffalo

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by gdavis, Feb 14, 2009.

  1. Coelacanth

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  2. YChang

    YChang 500+ Posts

    Houston's Islamic Da'wah Center

    For those of you in Houston and work downtown. If you're ever curious about the religion...stop by there one day and visit.

    Seriously...go and talk to them and open up your conversation with " So I read about some guy who beheaded his wife....are beheading written in the Koran?" They'll answer all your questions.

    Also, culture trumps religion every day.
     
  3. BA93

    BA93 1,000+ Posts

    I would guess that beheadings and honor killings pre-date Islam. So more cultural than religion. But yes, many people from certain parts of the world are extremely primitive.
     
  4. Woland

    Woland 500+ Posts


     
  5. Coelacanth

    Coelacanth Guest

    What do we mean when we say that culture "trumps" religion?
     
  6. Aces_Full

    Aces_Full 500+ Posts

    Culture trumps religion? What are you trying to say in reference to this murder? Are you saying the culture of Buffalo has a reputation for beheadings? Or the local Islamic culture of Buffalo does this? What exactly do u mean by saying "culture trumps religion" in regard to this murder?

    It doesn't take a big leap to think his religious beliefs most likely had an impact on how his wife died. It is standard operating procedure for the Islamic radicals to behead people. Some of you people love to make excuses for anything imaginable. Islam has a really nasty subsection that must be dealt with, irregardless of the majority of decent Muslims.
     
  7. Woland

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  8. Coelacanth

    Coelacanth Guest

    Willful blindness. Can't stop it.
     
  9. YoLaDu

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  10. Bayerithe

    Bayerithe 1,000+ Posts

    A true Christian that follows Jesus would never murder another man/woman. Jesus does not condone murder, never has and never will.

    this is what I don't like about coining a society or community as "Christian" ... it may be the culture they grow up in but unless they are a Christ follower, they are not really Christian.
     
  11. steve perry

    steve perry 100+ Posts

    I heard that colton pitonyak was muslim too
     
  12. UTViking

    UTViking 250+ Posts

    There can be only one.

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  13. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts

    From the al-Quran,


    Sura 8, Verse 12:

    Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill fear into the hearts of the Unbelievers: Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."


    Please recall that in Islam, the Koran is the unadulterated, direct word of Allah as delivered to his Prophet Mohammad.

    The reason moderate Muslims do not decry the practice, is because it comes straight from Allah, throught Mohammad.
    (Neither of which may be argued with.)

    A few lines later:

    Sura 8, Verse 16:

    If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

    Not exactly "turn the other cheek", is it ?
     
  14. YoLaDu

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  15. Woland

    Woland 500+ Posts


     
  16. YChang

    YChang 500+ Posts

    IRC, what are the verses prior and after the one you quoted?
     
  17. bozo_casanova

    bozo_casanova 2,500+ Posts


     
  18. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts

  19. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts


     
  20. Woland

    Woland 500+ Posts


     
  21. Bayerithe

    Bayerithe 1,000+ Posts


     
  22. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts


     
  23. Woland

    Woland 500+ Posts

    Show us a religion that promotes beheading.
     
  24. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts

    From the al-Quran:

    5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

    8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

    47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”


    And once again, remember that for ALL Muslims, these are the unalterable instructions direct from Allah himself.





    You're welcome.
     
  25. Woland

    Woland 500+ Posts


     
  26. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay 500+ Posts


     
  27. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts

    From Wiki article on The Koran:

    "Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind, and consider the original Arabic text to be the final revelation of God."

    "Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Jibrîl (Gabriel) from 610 CE to his death in 632 CE."

    It does NOT say "Some Muslims...".

    It also does not say that "Some sects of Islam...".

    I have researched this subject for years. (About a decade prior to 9/11, actually.)

    The one thing that ALL sects agree on is that the al-Quran is the direct word of Allah. (It may very well be the ONLY thing they all agree on, but make no mistake, they all agree.)

    Maybe you should do some more research..
     
  28. Coelacanth

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  29. YChang

    YChang 500+ Posts

    IRC...a good percentage of the people living in Guinea are Muslim. An Imam in Conarky believes himself as "Muslim" as an Imam in Saudi Arabia. After all, he has studied in Saudi Arabia as well. However, this Imam when practicing Islam often includes the practice of worshiping and asking his ancestors for advice since he is also the guardian of his village's tradition.

    Is the Islam practiced by this Imam correct? He certainly would think so...but the imam from Saudi Arabia probably not.

    This is what I mean when I say culture over religion.
     
  30. ihearttajeallen

    ihearttajeallen 250+ Posts

    what an incredible story. I cannot imagine how much you must hate somebody to decapitate them. seems like so much effort.

    would a christian, say, a governor of a state who had the power to stop executions, be compelled by their faith to do so? or, is there some sort of "doing your job" clause that would forgive them?

    on the other hand, I agree with the general idea on this thread that the more secular a society, the fewer batshit/crazy/arcane laws will exist.
     

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