When will we decide enough is enough

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Bighank77, May 28, 2009.

  1. Bighank77

    Bighank77 250+ Posts

  2. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    So the feds add 145% more tax and then they add a VAT.
    Just like many other taxes this will hurt poor people more.

    Too bad poor people typically don't get involved in politics.
     
  3. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    you would think the government would want people to stay drunk so they will continue to not pay attention to what they are doing.
     
  4. Majorhornfan

    Majorhornfan 100+ Posts

    This is just the beginning of taxing the living **** out of Americans. This along with the bailing out of failing businesses (i.e. GM) gives me no HOPE the BHO admin knows what it's doing to our country.
     
  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Majorhorn
    I disagree. Obama knows exactly what he is doing and he considers any price paid by anyone worth it.
     
  6. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    See above. Obama is probably the smartest president we have had in the oval office in a long while. he is going to try and transform america. he wants to go farther than europe has gone. he is the architect.
     
  7. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    general
    you bring up a good view. Is obama doing this alone?
    No question everything has fallen into place for him to implement his vision.
     
  8. Majorhornfan

    Majorhornfan 100+ Posts

    I stand corrected. Agree the admin knows what they are doing, and killing our country.
     
  9. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    you bring up a good view. Is obama doing this alone?
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    obviously he has help, lots of global elites and others as wellas the media. The critical analysis from the networks and talking head shows are one dimensional. no critical anaysis at all. They are all reactionary and nobody will question the motives or what is really going on.
     
  10. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    The main reason we have freedom of speech in this country was for the press. The press is supposed to be the watchdog on government expansion. if they are not going to be critical or question the administration, and are further on board with the plans of change, then we are lost as a nation.
     
  11. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    Oh boy. So you see a massive conspiracy?

    Tell me this, would Obama have had to even consider the option of spending America out of dire economic circumstances had those circumstances not been in place prior to his inauguration?

    He is not executing some long thought out plan. He's responding to exigent circumstances nobody could have predicted.

    You may argue that you disagree with his actions and doubt that they will work. But believing that his economic moves fulfill some sort of life-long "agenda" is absurd.

    Four years ago, nobody would have thought to or supported taking over the banks or having the government intervene with the auto industry. Circumstance has made those options palatable because of fear of more dire consequences should government be inactive.

    I'll repeat, my post is not about agreeing or disagreeing with the policy. This is about a seemingly paranoid delusion that Obama is some sort of diabolical character carrying out a sinister plan.

    He is your political opponent, not an enemy of the state.
     
  12. YoLaDu

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  13. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    rv
    "He is not executing some long thought out plan."
    No one is saying his plan was for the world econ to tank.
    You are trying to confuse the silly plan he is using to take the economy down further with his long stated vision of redistribution of wealth.
    One would think the bad economy would slow down his take from the rich to give to everyone else but that doesn't seem to be the case.

    Never waste a crisis, remember that?
     
  14. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest


     
  15. rickysrun

    rickysrun 2,500+ Posts

    THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING
     
  16. StregaHorn

    StregaHorn 100+ Posts

    The government never should have bailed out the banks or the auto companies. That was mistake 1. Mistake 2 is continuing to prop up companies. Free market economy also means freedom to fail. Govt bailed out the automakers to pay back the unions that got the dems in power. Don't fool yourself in thinking it was concern about the ordinary American. In fact, by making deals with the unions, the govt is screwing ordinary Americans (i.e. those who held Chrysler and GM debt). Obama demonized the bondholders to push through his agenda. What an eff up.
     
  17. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest


     
  18. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts


     
  19. NightFlyer

    NightFlyer 250+ Posts


     
  20. NightFlyer

    NightFlyer 250+ Posts


     
  21. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    The government should have never eased regulations that allowed banks to get so overleveraged that their failure would collapse the US economy.
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    the government encouraged this activity and even created some of its own companies to participate and accelerate the process.
     
  22. StregaHorn

    StregaHorn 100+ Posts

    I think it is fairly obvious that you don't really know much about the capital markets in this country.
     
  23. Oilfield

    Oilfield Guest

    I guess this means that only people that make over $200K per year drink booze. I had no idea.
     
  24. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts


     
  25. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    The bailout of the US Automakers has more to do with the fact that 1 out of 10 American jobs are supported by the US auto industry.
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    this stat is completely bs. those statistics include all upstream and downstream jobs and makes the broad assumption that losing the big 3 would include the loss of everything (upstream and downstream), steelworkers, glassmakers, electronics, taxi-drivers, car washers, etc. it makes the assumption that there would be no other cars in the united states. now its true that there would be losses but bankruptcy, the plan that is being instituted now, despite the billions thrown in to the carmakers (keep in mind that the billions being paid by gov is going strictly to union and pension and healthcare fund) is allowing the companies to reorganize and make cars again...surprise...all of this could have been accomplished with a bankruptcy only, the gov got involved to save the union workers, it has nothing to do with this bs 1 in 10 job loss statistic.
     
  26. NightFlyer

    NightFlyer 250+ Posts


     
  27. StregaHorn

    StregaHorn 100+ Posts

    More to the point, the CLINTON administration coerced Fannie and Freddie into loosening their credit standards.
     
  28. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    Nightflyer,

    Read the flow of the thread up until what I post. I'm clearly addressing these sentiments and thoughts:


     
  29. The Creature

    The Creature 100+ Posts

    They're going to tax my booze? Hmm. Guess I'll have to quit drinking.

    Now what could I do to entertain myself...something the government doesn't tax... [​IMG]
     
  30. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts


     

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