Hard Question,What does USA owe rest of the world?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    As we try to get things in order here it is clear many millions of citizens are hurting and we don't seem to have found ways to help them get on their feet.
    Sometimes I think Dems trot out people with stories just for the sympathy, ( many of the stories turn out to not be true but that is another thread)
    Millions are hurting here and we have hurt our children's future with our spending

    so What obligation do we have to help the world? I am excluding help given to disaster areas.
    It would be nice to save the whole world at once but we can't.

    socould the billions we routinely send to Israel Egypt Indonesia Russia etc be better used for now here for Americans?

    This sparked my questionThe Link
    "The United States announced on Thursday that it will donate $40 million to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Arabs in the Palestinian Authority-assigned areas, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria "
    and
    "The American funding comes despite a report commissioned by the European parliament, which showed that Hamas terrorists have been chosen by the agency's labor union to oversee its Gaza facilities, which was part of a Canadian decision last month to stop its UNRWA funding."

    Are there Americans who could make use of 40 million?
    How about we use it to keep some hospitals open?
     
  2. HornsForever'93

    HornsForever'93 1,000+ Posts

    6721's daily whine fest continues.
     
  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    forever
    What is not pertinent in my OP?

    perhaps you'd care to comment on the actual question instead of another snide remark about me?
     
  4. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts

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  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    IRC
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    I guess I shouldn't wait for a reponse from Forever on the actual subject?
     
  6. FondrenRoad

    FondrenRoad 1,000+ Posts

    I agree. Money should be spent here first. I'm not sure why you singled out Muslim countries and Israel. More money is spent elsewhere. This includes the cost of maintaining military personnel and bases in allied countries. Those countries should pay for all costs or we should pack up and leave, especially wealthy countries like Japan and Korea. We are actually providing nationalized healthcare for Japan right now since we provide for the grand majority of their national defense.
     
  7. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Son of a Motherless Goat

    I agree largely with the OP. We need to keep our money here, helping Americans, not giving it to other countries. There are lots of problems on our own soil that need attention.
     
  8. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Fondren
    Not sure why you made that point but 2 I listed were muslim and 2 were not.There was no motive in the countries I listed. I chose those countries from the top recipients
    I could have included Colombia and Peru also Pakistan, Kenya Jordan Liberia Ethiopia Bosnia etc.
    which of those would you have preferred to see?
     
  9. FridayNiteLites

    FridayNiteLites 500+ Posts

    So where and when do you start pulling out of countries and collapsing their local economies that are propped up by American soldiers and their families? I'm not an isolationist, and I don't think the OP is either. I do agree that we should be spending more time/resources on domestic issues and stop giving money to other countries to do fossil research.
     
  10. 911_horn

    911_horn 500+ Posts

    What do we owe? Serveral Trillion and rising, and that number is going to double the next 10 years.
     
  11. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts


     
  12. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Son of a Motherless Goat

    Its the same excuse used to bail out mega banks over, and over, and over, and over..... you CANT let them fail for their stupidity because it will cause mass job loss.....

    Sorry. These excuses are getting old. Its becoming a situation, if it wasnt already, where its become a tactic to say you are too big to fail, and then repeat ridiculous poor decisions over and over.
     
  13. BrothaHorn

    BrothaHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I don't believe we owe the rest of the world crap..Before I go clean my neighbors house, I should make sure mine is clean!
     
  14. Hpslugga

    Hpslugga 2,500+ Posts


     
  15. cloydtex

    cloydtex 250+ Posts

    What if you paid for your neighbor's house five times over?
     
  16. Hpslugga

    Hpslugga 2,500+ Posts


     
  17. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    $29.95 plus S&H.
     
  18. Lone Star

    Lone Star 500+ Posts

    The United States has global interests that provide economic, strategic, political, and security benefits to US citizens. Aid solves or placates a problem prior to a situation escalating and requiring a more overt and expensive course of action. Is $40 million dollars help stabilize a situation that will cost Billions is it were to escalate – then aid makes sense. Just cut the defense budget 2% and it covers the annual aid budget.

    Isolationism is just short-sited and dumb foreign policy.
     
  19. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Lone Star
    In looking at the top recipients I would question how sending millions helps us economically in Bosnia, Liberia, Kenya , Ethiopia,Bangladesh to name a few.
    is it the right thing to do to help poor countries ? ABSOLUTELY, but how about when it is at the expense of people here in our country?

    The 40 million BTW is on Top of money we send directly to the countries. This 40 million goes to the UN to disperse and we know how efficient the UN is. Plus if you read the article you read that the EU discovered Hamas is ending up with the money.

    How about in these tough times we cut foreign aid, not completely but enough to fund some needed areas here at home where people are hurting?

    As has been pointed out by many on here, sometimes you have to make hard decisions. Whose welfare should come first?
     
  20. IRC

    IRC 1,000+ Posts


     
  21. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest

    would you rather cut foreign wars or foreign aid in order to concentrate on America aid?

    I could get behind both, but it is hard for me to justify cutting aid to an improvished country, while spending money "destroying" another country via a war effort. err..

    i meant to say "spreading democracy".. not "destroying"
     
  22. MaduroUTMB

    MaduroUTMB 2,500+ Posts


     
  23. DoobieWah

    DoobieWah 500+ Posts


     
  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    "May I point out that WE are an impoverished country. "

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  25. MaduroUTMB

    MaduroUTMB 2,500+ Posts


     
  26. FondrenRoad

    FondrenRoad 1,000+ Posts


     
  27. Lone Star

    Lone Star 500+ Posts


     
  28. RomaVicta

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  29. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Lone
    Someone asked why 2 of the top countries I listed were muslim so I just listed other top recipients who don't contribute to our economy and included muslim and non muslim. I also made clear that if we could afford it we should give as much as we can but NOT at the expense of our own citizens.

    You posted this, " A $14 Trillion dollar economy and we are impoverished? "
    Remind us how much our deficit is? How many are unemployed? How many are sinking into impoverishment? Are you suggesting our economy is not in distress?That would be really silly wouldn't it?

    So if we have hard choices to make how would you prioritize the money we are borrowing? use it here at home ? or give it away?
    Please keep in mind we are borrowing what we are giving away.
     
  30. YoLaDu

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