Damn Activist Judges!!!

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by HornBud, Jun 9, 2010.

  1. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts

  2. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts


     
  3. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    what's wrong with that? the guy was parked in a parking lot. it's not like he fell asleep with the engine running at a stop light. maybe he was sleeping it off in a safely parked space. you cant arrest a drunk guy for drunk driving just because he is asleep in a car. if you want to go that far you can just start going into bars and arresting people that are drunk if their car is parked outside and they have their keys on them.
     
  4. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts


     
  5. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Looks like finally a court came to its senses and decided we live in a country where its free to sleep in a car. did you know some people live in their cars?
     
  6. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts


     
  7. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts

    HornBud - this was beautiful. thank you.
     
  8. kgp

    kgp 1,000+ Posts

    Activist? Indicating one of the elements of the crime was not demonstrated? OK.
     
  9. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts


     
  10. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts

    no i don't disagree at all, i think the court made the right ruling. it's not quite as simple as what kgp says though. the court used this case to change the rules and force prosecutors to prove intent to drive, a new standard.

    what the OP was demonstrating is that many folks who decry "judicial activism" and say that the courts should not be in the business of making law are fully on board with "judicial activism" when they agree with the change.
     
  11. HornsForever'93

    HornsForever'93 1,000+ Posts

    i rarely agree with the General, but he is right on this one. If you are asleep in a vehicle with car off and keys not in the ignition, How is that Driving? No required element of a criminal offense thus no crime
     
  12. trueut2003

    trueut2003 250+ Posts

    I've actually done that before. Wasn't sober, so I slept in my car until I was. Had no clue I could get arrested for that.
     
  13. YoLaDu

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  14. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Driving while intoxicated, first offense, is a Class B Misdemeanor that is defined at Texas Penal Code §49.04.

    That provision states that, "A person commits an offense if the person is intoxicated while operating a motor vehicle in a public place".

    This definition sets forth the elements that must be proven to sustain a conviction. Those elements are:

    The defendant, on or about a particular date
    Was operating a motor vehicle
    In a public place (street, highway, beach, parking lot, etc)
    In a particular county
    While intoxicated The Texas legislature has specifically defined the term "intoxication", as that term is used for prosecution of DWI cases {Texas Penal Code §49.01(2)}
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    These are the general elements anywhere. How is this an activist judge? How did he/she change the elements of the violation/crime? Just because police in the past arrested people asleep in their cars doesnt make it right. The agenda or practices of a police department do not make law, sometimes it takes someone to challenge a practice to stop it.
     
  15. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts


     
  16. HornBud

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  17. bronco

    bronco Guest

    I'm not sure you understand what the tern activist means.

    If I'm reading all of this correctly, there is a standard for DWI in Texas and the written standard would NOT have allowed a drunk person sleeping in their car with the keys out of the ignition to be arrested.

    The activist judges are the ones that, according to you, have been giving out DWIs in these types of cases. They were activists in that they did not follow the law as written and imposed a new criteria.

    Apparently, this judge simply went back to the written standard. That is not activism.
     
  18. kgp

    kgp 1,000+ Posts

    Ruling that the law will be enforced as written is the opposite of activism. Activism is trying to legislate from the courtroom. I don't know what complaints who has made that were labeled as activism before, but this case does not remotely strike me as such.
     
  19. Sugarpunk

    Sugarpunk 500+ Posts

    I am 100% aligned with the general and kgp on this deal, which does not happen a whole lot. This is precisely how the appeals system should work. Kudos to the New Mexico Supreme Court for doing the right thing.
     
  20. AggieFactFinder

    AggieFactFinder 250+ Posts

    I'm not sure it would be possible to find a worse example of judicial activism.


     
  21. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts


     
  22. AustinBat

    AustinBat 2,500+ Posts

    I could be wrong, but I thought in Texas a cop had to actually see you driving - if you hit something and were sitting on the curb when the cops arrived, and there were no witnesses to say they saw you driving, you could be charged with being drunk in public but not DUI. It's been a long time since I studied that, though, so it might have been changed.
     
  23. bronco

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  24. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts

    bronco - did you even read the article?


     
  25. AustinTejasFan

    AustinTejasFan 1,000+ Posts

    "They changed the way the law is applied."

    If state/federal law makers were perfect we wouldn't need the courts looking over their shoulders. And when a state supreme court rules that law enforcement/prosecutors are improperly enforcing a particular statute that is not activism.
     
  26. bierce

    bierce 1,000+ Posts

    The opinion
    The Link


     
  27. BattleshipTexas

    BattleshipTexas 1,000+ Posts

    Activist would be overturning some law to reach a new result. All this judge did was follow existing law. That's not activism.
     
  28. hornpharmd

    hornpharmd 5,000+ Posts


     

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