Aggy deepsixed Pac 12

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  1. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    ...per Chip Brown this morning. The Scott version of the Pac 10 expansion story is untrue, according to Chip Brown, and "revisionist history."
    What really happened is that A&M could not be brought into the fold with the other five teams that weekend. They were exploring the SEC option and not ready to commit. UT had the news conference scheduled for Tuesday, and on Saturday night, Mack Brown said he went to bed convinced UT was going to the Pac 10.
    When aggy would not commit, UT feared we would be blamed for tearing apart the Big XII and ending the UT-A&M rivalry. Plus, state politicians were urging all concerned to stand pat and go slow. At that point, UT backed away from the deal, and switched to the current Big XII (10) arrangement.
    So had A&M been ready to go to the Pac 10 it would have happened. Their foot-dragging torpedoed the deal.
    It was not UT's network, or Baylor, or state officials, or any other factor. It would have happened had A&M said "yes" that weekend.
    Any credit or blame should be directed their way.
    I don't know if it will prove ill or not, we will have to see.
     
  2. Texas___Fight

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  3. BurntOrangeOnly

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  4. HousHorn09

    HousHorn09 2,500+ Posts

  5. Burnt Orangeman

    Burnt Orangeman 1,000+ Posts

    I think Chip is getting used again to spin it Belmont's way since we are being "blamed" in the court of public opinion.
     
  6. Sammy11

    Sammy11 250+ Posts

    Scott says Politics did it and the bevo network wasn't a deal breaker. I could see his side being accurate.

    Brown says it was the splitting of UT & Aggy that killed it.

    Either way the reasons still stand today and will likely stand in 10 years. Whether tv revenue wise or politically UT found it more beneficial to stay.
     
  7. gobears92

    gobears92 Guest

    as always...F AGGY....let them be mincemeat for the SEC...
     
  8. DFWAg

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  9. gecko

    gecko 2,500+ Posts

    I think UT took a big breath and determined (last minute) there was more $$ to be made with the consolidation coming up in a couple of years.

    This bull about UT "fearing" they would be blamed for destroying the B12 or wrecking the Aggie rivalry is ridiculous.
     
  10. Sammy11

    Sammy11 250+ Posts

    Gecko- How do you figure that there will be more money in a couple years? The only thing I see that could change the economics of the situation is the Bevo network and Scott already said it wasn't a deal breaker so its a moot point. The other leagues will add just as much potential now as they will in a few years. You don't reject these offers to buy time and Larry Scott didn't seem to expect something anytime soon.

    Accuratehorn- Where did chip say the original statements that inspired this thread? I don't see him on the recent audio vault page of ESPN Austin or his twitter saying these things.
     
  11. PropositionJoe

    PropositionJoe 2,500+ Posts

    chip brown has his agenda, more than likely influenced by the texas AD.

    scott has his agenda.

    the answer is somewhere in the middle.
     
  12. longtex

    longtex Guest

    I reckon there's a little bit of truth in all sides of the story. agy not going along with the plan certainly would have to be a factor, but not necessarily the whole thing.
     
  13. Horn-N-LA

    Horn-N-LA 1,000+ Posts

    1st rule of fight club, blame aggy.
     
  14. Burnt Orangeman

    Burnt Orangeman 1,000+ Posts

    CB is Mr. Orange in Reservoir Dogs
     

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  16. gecko

    gecko 2,500+ Posts

    sammy -

    First of all, this is all my opinion....I base this nothing but what I've taken away from everything i've read on the subject.....so, FWIW....

    The Longhorn Network needs to be in place before we go shopping for another conference. Yeah, I know Larry Scott says it wasn't a deal breaker, but I believe that was meant as a signal to us when this comes up again. We need to have that income stream in palace so everyone (including ourselves) know what its worth.

    A number of network contracts are up for renegotiation in a couple of years. I don't know if its in 3 or 5, but that's when the scramble will happen and the $$ will be flying.
     
  17. Longhorn01

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  18. Sammy11

    Sammy11 250+ Posts

    Gecko-
    A number of contracts? Looks like us and the Big 10 will be the only ones.

    SEC has 2
    CBS- thru 2023
    The Link
    ESPN- Deal is for 15 years which is pretty much the same deal.
    The Link

    ACC: Solid thru 2023
    The Link

    Pac 10/12: Their rights are up next year so any changes have to happen now. Thats not gonna happen right now. I imagine you are looking at a contract for 10+ years if the others are an indication. Also UT just turned them down and Scott doesn't expect anything anytime soon.
    The Link

    Big 10: They had a 10 year deal in 2006 for football only. Hoops aren't synced up. This is the only one and if they are not going to upset the apple cart we won't be doing anything.
    So the Big12 is stable in regards to this unless:
    a) Presidents decide going to 14 or 16 is a good idea and contradict what is being said right now.

     
  19. TexasEd

    TexasEd 1,000+ Posts

    Whatever they say I think the reason was Belmont wanted the Longhorn Network. The deal with Pac-10 nixed that.

    Delaying the inevitable a few years gives Texas an opportunity to get the network running and hold more chips the next time realignment comes up.
     
  20. mackfan1

    mackfan1 1,000+ Posts

    If A&M bolted to the SEC (unlikely), our rivalry with them would have ended up the same as our rivalry with Arkansas. Remember them?

    Bellmont does not want the Aggies to open up a Texas recruiting pipeline to the cheaters in the SEC, and will do everything in their power to keep that from happening. If it did, payback would be a complete severing of athletic ties between the two schools. Whether you blame UT Network, "aggy footdragging," the Haitian earthquake, or the liberal media, that's just the way it is.
     
  21. Sammy11

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  22. Longhorn01

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  23. coolhorn

    coolhorn 2,500+ Posts

    A lot of folks keep acting like the decision to keep the remnants of the Big 12 as a conference is a lifetime decision. It's not.

    I heard Chip Brown's comments this morning and I don't discount them. I just don't think it's the whole story. I don't have any sources inside Belmont Hall, nor the pulpit of appearing daily on a radio show, but no one, or no school, turns down the chance to make several million dollars a year. The legislature a couple of months ago wouldn't have kept Texas from heading west, IF UT felt then was the best time to make the jump.

    UT probably doesn't want agricultural to open up Texas to SEC recruiters, and might have made the threat to terminate all competition with aggy. I'm more inclined to believe Dodds and company were skeptical that the ags had a real offer from the SEC. A contingent one? Maybe, if UT and okie could be persuaded to jump to the SEC.

    This next two to three years gives UT the chance to get the Horn network up and running. Once it's an accomplished fact, I'd be surprised if UT doesn't begin again to accept courting from the other conferences.

    I still feel like the Horns will wind up in the Pac, with or without okie, Tech, and okie lite. I believe when push came to shove, if we'd made our move several weeks ago, okie would have backed out and headed to the SEC with agricultural...despite proclamations that they were staying with us. I think that's likely to happen in the next round of realignment.

    One thing's for sure. The Big 12-2, as it is presently constituted, is nothing more than a rest stop for the Horns on their way to a better conference. That's common sense, and you don't have to be plugged in to Bellmont Hall to figure that one out.
     
  24. Sammy11

    Sammy11 250+ Posts

    Coolhorn-

    1- UT is going to make the same kind of money as the P16 since ESPN is wanting to avoid realignment. I realize that a P16 deal would be big but it is also split several more ways.

    2- The horn network wasn't the dealbreaker. Makes no sense from Scott's perspective not to give on that issue.

    3- OU and OSU would stay with UT if at all possible. Both have said it publicly and in private emails that later became public.

    4- If by rest stop, you mean home for a decade you may be right. I get the feeling a lot of UT, Aggy, and OU fans say "this is a temporary deal that won't last" simply because the fan themself has had a love affair with the idea of a superconference. I just don't see any reports of things likely happening that soon and find it difficult to believe based off of statements and existing contracts.

    Other than the bogus Bevo network idea, what do you think brought UT back?
     
  25. coolhorn

    coolhorn 2,500+ Posts

    It wasn't the threat of aggy going to the SEC. It wasn't any threat posed to UT funding by the legislature. I think the network's being used as a convenient excuse, but I think UT's known all along that the Pac 10 would accept us with it. I don't think Dodds and company were all that worried that we would be perceived as having killed the Big 12.

    I do think the UT administration might have been concerned about okie's promise to stick with us.

    What I really think was the deciding factor is this...several unnamed people and organizations made it worthwhile for us to wait a while on changing conferences. I think there are some agreements out there that will give UT what it wants, with patience. A better conference. It's network. No opposition if a move is made two or three years from now. A guaranteed soft landing spot, probably in the Pac 12.

    That's why I think UT changed its' mind several weeks ago.
     
  26. Sammy11

    Sammy11 250+ Posts

    I view it differently. I think it comes down to UT thinking they won't get decent money in a B12 without Nebraska and either Mizzou or CU. When that changed they were clear to stay and it makes for the simplest rationale. Although it could be spin, both Dodds and company all said that the Big12 is what they wanted all along. It makes the most sense as Aggy is still together and travel is an easy situation.

    Based off then-private emails from OSU and OU claiming they wanted to remain with UT, I don't think Okie would bolt.

    In addition to that, they have no interest in competing with A&M for one OOC bcs opponent spot on ut's schedule. The legislature makes that a losing battle for them.

    8 or 9 Pac games
    + A&M
    +OU
    = 1 or 2 other noncon games.

    Not happening
     
  27. coolhorn, I don't think there's going to be any more conference expansion any time soon, UNLESS...

    The Big 10 adds Notre Dame and one other team (maybe Pitt, Syracuse, Mizzou, Maryland) for a 14 team conference.

    At this point, you can cue college football armageddon because you know the SEC won't take that lying down. Then they'll start looking to expand and they'll open their doors again possibly to A&M, OU, Miami, FSU and others. Then the Pac-10 will start courting Texas again, and, well, you get the drift.

    What I'm saying is, future conference expansion all hinges on Notre Dame. Like them or not, THEY are the belle of the ball and everyone else is second. If Notre Dame joins the Big 10, all hell will break loose in college football because other conferences will be doing all they can to make business decisions to keep up (because let's face it, it's a business).

    If Notre Dame stays indy, this current alignment will likely be the alignment for the foreseeable future.

    PS - Just my opinion but I think Texas lost some cred with their actions during this last conference expansion phase (i.e. Chip Brown being a right arm for UT) for future conference expansion. I think if it happens they'll still end up in a good place but it won't be on UT's terms.
     
  28. cochamps

    cochamps 2,500+ Posts

    I wish we could go to the Big 10 just to **** in Nebraska's lunch pail. .

    [​IMG]
     
  29. cochamps

    cochamps 2,500+ Posts

    Actually, I would be very surprised if losing aggy was a deal killer for the 16 Pac. jmo.
     
  30. UTEE

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