Obama's Remarks on the Mosque: who objects to this

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Hornius Emeritus, Aug 17, 2010.

  1. Hornius Emeritus

    Hornius Emeritus 2,500+ Posts

    Here are Obama's remarks on the mosque, made the other night.

    Please note that he doesn't say that he supports the building of the mosque. He says that he supports the right of Americans to build religious edifices of their choice on privately held property.


    If you object to anything in this speech, please tell me what it is that you object to, specifically, and why. I've bolded the parts that refer to the mosque.


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  2. Oilfield

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  3. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    Non sequitur much?

    How do you get your conclusion from that quote?
     
  4. Hornius Emeritus

    Hornius Emeritus 2,500+ Posts


     
  5. allweatherHorn

    allweatherHorn 1,000+ Posts


     
  6. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest


     
  7. Hornius Emeritus

    Hornius Emeritus 2,500+ Posts


     
  8. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts

    It's like some of you have zero backbone for this country at all. Do you just sit around and think...hmmmm, how can I piss off the most Americans today? Wow, I know....I'll support the idea of brand new mosque/community center/whatever you want to call it/ that's less than (this is for YO..) a 6 iron down wind away from the site of the worst terrorist attack in our nations history...Yeah, that will be a great idea, I'm sure no red blooded Americans will get upset over this idea. It's so utopian and progressive, how can anyone not like it [​IMG]

    I can deal with our differences on taxes, the economy, the oil spill, hell even ILLEGAL immigration, because we are all AMERICANS and in a time of war we stand by each other. I'm ashamed to call some of you my countrymen.

    Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. [​IMG]
     
  9. YoLaDu

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  10. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts

    YO, to me it's akin to supporting the Japanese or Nazi's during WWII. I couldn't stand by someone who supported the Nazi's and it's damn near impossible for me to stand by someone who says this mosque should be built in the PROPOSED location. I've got zero problem with them building on a current mosque site, but this site is a slap in the face to all of us.

    Why don't we just replace our entire society with sharia law? Would that work?
     
  11. 4realhorn

    4realhorn 500+ Posts

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    Hell yeah man!! If you don't hate Muslims, you don't love America.
     
  12. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts

    I didn't say I hated Muslims. But if you can't understand WHY people are upset and outraged over this, then there is no hope for you.
     
  13. YoLaDu

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  14. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    We should have firebombed New Braunfels during WWII! Damn Germans.
     
  15. Horns2005

    Horns2005 250+ Posts

    Muslim = Terrorist.

    And don't you find it upsetting that they have to build the mosque in New York, of all places? Not like there's any Muslims in New York. Clearly, it's a conspiracy to declare victory for the Taliban.
     
  16. TSIP4LIFE

    TSIP4LIFE 250+ Posts


     
  17. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    That door was opened by others.
     
  18. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest

    Again, let's focus on the OP. No one can really find anything to be critical about what Obama said. All that is put forth is some emotional diatribe about our lack of backbone or it's going against the majority of Americans or what about the 9/11 families. It's all emotional, and no reason or logic.

    I refer to buckhorn's post buried in one of these multiple threads on this topic. It was an excellent post.
     
  19. THEU

    THEU 2,500+ Posts

    The Imam behind this mosque made these statements shortly after 9/11.

    "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

    I would never say that the people of Hiroshima were 'accessories' to the crimes of the Japanese regime/government. These comments from this particular imam behind this particular mosque are questionable to me.
    One step beyond that is a question about how this appears. I would agree, that unfortunately some who have shot abortion doctors got their 'indoctrination' at a church. What I have never seen, is Christians wanting to build a church on the site, or near the site where an abortion doctor was shot and killed. I would find that just as grotesque and offensive, and as a Christian would be violently opposed to such an attempt.
    Also, to say that we are not as war with Islam is a hard question for me. As a Christian there are passages in the NT which specifically call for obedience to civil law and civil authourities. Islam, as a religion is not like that. If you look around the world the prevailing (but certainly not only) view or interpretation of Islam is that there is no civil authourity apart from the law of the Quran. Sharia is the law. There is no other. This means that for any who have that interpretation there is no civil authourity save that which falls under or is subordinate to sharia law. This is a complex matter, but many will ask if it is possible to be a US citizen and a Muslim. I don't believe that the same absolutist quandry exists within Christianity. (I speak of Christianity because that is the other major world religion which I know best. I am fairly certain the same is true of Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Shintoism, or Doaism.)
     
  20. gecko

    gecko 2,500+ Posts

    It's what he didn't say that's the issue....
     
  21. mojo17

    mojo17 1,000+ Posts

    Yo if President Obama wanted the American people on his side he would have stood up and stated he was against building on this site. He did not have the guts to do it. Sometimes it is wise for our leaders to follow the will of the people. We will not forget.
     
  22. allweatherHorn

    allweatherHorn 1,000+ Posts

    What makes you think that your view is the "will of the people" much less consistent with our Constitution and the freedoms so many have sacrificed for? Get real, man. Not everyone thinks like you, if you haven't figured that out by now.
     
  23. Satchel

    Satchel 2,500+ Posts


     
  24. mojo17

    mojo17 1,000+ Posts

    Allweather are you saying the majority of the people want a mosque built there?
     
  25. UTbone04

    UTbone04 25+ Posts


     
  26. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts

    The Imam and his olive branch peace offer is a bunch of BS. He doesn't give a rats you know what about the victims. If that were really the case, they would have turned one of the current mosques into the "community center".

    Just another place to for Imam's to spew hate from, and tell everyone that will listen that the US brought 9/11 onto themselves.

    Does no one from the left here think it's in bad taste to build this here? Why stop with this mosque..lets just turn the entire country into one huge islamic state, we can let the chaps girls on gameday where full burkas. That will be great.
     
  27. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Son of a Motherless Goat

    Msdw24,

    Be careful. Prodigalhorn carries a big Strawman stick and he'll sic you with it! Dont let him catch you making inferences. [​IMG]

    Also, theres no left, no right, none of that. "America" has as much blame for 911 as the people who actually carried it out. Ron Paul put it very well in one of his debate answers when he ran for president.
     
  28. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts


     
  29. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Son of a Motherless Goat

    Im refering to the notion that people either belong to the left, or to the right, and that if you are republican you are conservative, and that if you are democrat, you are liberal, and that you have to choose to be one or the other...

    When people on here ask "Id like to see someone from the left comment on this...." it just plays into the whole left/right nonsense.

    You are right, and the Imam said that America didnt "deserve" 911. However, the political actions of our elected leaders do have consequences, and over several decades, it eventually leads to people committing heinous criminal acts....

    Muslims were killed on 911 too. Im sure the highjackers knew that they would certainly kill some Muslims, but that didnt deter them. Did innocent people deserve it? No. Noone is saying they did. But to act as if America is blameless, as many people here and elsewhere claim, is just not true.

    As I said, if you are for American Imperialism, and it doesnt matter how many people get stepped on to achieve American dominance in the world, then thats fine. I just dont want to hear those same people talk and act as if America is above reproach and maintains the high moral ground.
     
  30. AustinBat

    AustinBat 2,500+ Posts


     

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