2018 Senate (& House)

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm not sure the Breitbart guy has this exactly right. Yes, the woman who regrets the sex may lie and claim it was rape, which is always wrong, but I'm not even talking about false allegations. I'm talking about true allegations that are treated as similar but are in fact different. I'm not a big fan of the term "sexual assault" because it's too broad. It has become the catch-all term for any unwanted sexual contact of any kind. It can mean anything from walking down the hall at work and touching a co-worker's *** on the outside of her clothes (and pretending it was an accident, of course) to throwing her on her desk, pulling down her pants, and raping her. By using the same term we're blurring those two things, and they're very different.

    For example, consider the allegation against Franken or Bush 41. They touched an *** on the outside of the clothes. That makes them dirty old men, not monsters who are dangers to society. I think Franken shoving his tongue down Leann Tweeden's throat makes him worse. However, even that puts him in the "sick *******" category, not the monster category.

    I think you cross that line when you start going inside the clothes or using your junk. If you force any part of your body into someone's shirt or his or her pants, you're a monster. If your junk comes out, you're a monster even if it stays outside the clothes. Those are truly dangerous people.

    We shouldn't blur the distinctions. The dirty old man or the sick ******* should get charged with misdemeanor assault and get their wrists slapped. The monster should spend 20 years in the slammer. Big difference.
     
  2. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Being sexual in nature, wouldn't that assault charge indeed make it misdemeanor 'sexual assault'?

    I do agree with your sentiments about the catch-all use of the same words applied to vastly different offenses being very dangerous.

    Although these attacks have been the go-to for Dems for years. I'm more than happy to return the favor by labeling Franken a serial sexual assaulter. :smile1:
     
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  3. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I predict at least 20 members or more will get accused before it is all done.
     
  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    No, not necessarily. The statutory definition of sexual assault is narrower than the political media's.

    Trust me, I understand the satisfaction that comes with seeing a moralizing leftist exposed as the POS hypocrite that he is. It's the same feeling that the God-haters felt when Jim Bakker got busted. However, I still think the overall move to blow everything up into a sexual assault shitstorm is a bad thing.
     
  5. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The Republican Carlos Danger? Link.

    WARNING - it's gross, though it's blurred out.
     
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  6. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    You should have provided a warning with that link.:puke:
     
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Sorry about that. I've added a warning.
     
  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    While talking about Charlie Rose this morning my wife turned to me and said "I think it's crazy that the world is just now realizing that men are perverts." She went on to say that Sexual Harassment is not OK but rather that all men are by nature perverts.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    oh geez
    its a mad world
     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It sorta depends on the definition of "perverts." I don't think wanting to have sex with women of childbearing age makes a guy a pervert. I think it makes him normal, and I think we're hardwired with that desire in order to perpetuate the species. Louis C.K., Anthony Wiener, and (apparently) Joe Barton are perverts, and most guys have no desire or temptation to do that sort of thing.
     
  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It could be that we are all perverts but some control it better. We are hardwired to check out a hot childbearing age woman when walking down the street. Only those aforementioned people approach them and act on that impulse.
     
  12. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    For all the talk of the impact of these sexual assault allegations on national politicians, someone has organized a movement to out perpetrators in state legislatures. This week 2 MN state legislators (1D and 1R for those who care) stepped down.
     
  13. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Looks like we do have something in common SH. My wife feels the same and used to say it often when we were younger - no comment necessary here. But I think your "it could be......." comment has great merit.
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If anyone cares, Joe Barton was on the field with Steve Scalise when they were nearly assassinated back in June

     
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  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Hang on a minute, isn't all of that just a "social construct?"
    We have been getting lectured at, for some time now, that it is
    And, if so, then can't we just re-wire these guys or re-construct them?
     
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    LOL, of course he was!

     
  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I forgot Barton is aggy. So, there's that.

    As far as the Carlos Danger analogy, the woman is not a minor so Barton's actions here do not rise to the level of the Weiner. And I dont think she was an employee, so not a Conyers situation. And he was not groping her while she was asleep, so not a Franken situation.

    However, it is possible that the woman scorned may have committed a crime.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Whoever did that is in a world of hurt. Stupid move. Going to backfire big time.
     
  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    What a shock that an Aggie would do something like this.

    No, it's not as bad as what those guys did, but it is about as stupid. Any adult should be smart enough not to allow pictures of his junk to be taken, and he sure as hell should be smart enough not to take them himself and send them to somebody. It just takes a special kind of stupid to do that.

    If she did it in Texas, she almost surely did violate the "Revenge Porn Act." It's a Class A misdemeanor, so she could end up with up to a $4,000 fine, up to a year in the slammer, or both.

    However, none of that matters for Barton's political future. She may get punished for this, but he's going to get a primary opponent almost for sure. That means he won't be able to play the "binary choice" card, which is the only reason any voters are willing to tolerate this sort of thing. If he can be replaced by a conservative Republican, he's done, and the it's early enough in the process for that to happen. It's clear that this woman didn't do this to Barton to help Democrats. Otherwise, she would have waited until after he won the primary election. She did it to personally harm Barton. It's probably going to work.
     
  22. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Aggy doesn't lie, steal or expose nude pictures of self?
     
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  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    :bow:
     
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It's from a partisan source, but it's an interesting read. The Beta Male sexual harasser. Link.
     
  25. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    That source may be partisan, but it is spot on.
     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This should be considered part of the Revenge Porn crime act
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Semi-related -- I just saw something this morning where former NBA star Ray Allen claims he was being "catfished"

    “Coleman pretended to be a number of attractive women interested in Ray Allen .... Ray believed he was speaking with these women and communicated with them.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/nov/21/ray-allen-catfishing-harassment-nba

    It's a crazy world
     
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  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    A rarity - a Politico article with reading about the media and Roy Moore.
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The alt-right has won. They've successfully discredited all center and left media to the point that only the right-wing echo chamber matters to most conservatives. This is a sad point in our history.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Did the alt-Right discredit them, or did they discredit themselves? Conservatives were suspicious of the mainstream media long before the alt-Right was a serious political force.
     
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