2018 Senate (& House)

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Crock, you're a little like a senile person. You have moments of lucidity, but sometimes you'll surround it with gibberish. lol

    I don't watch much Fox News, so I'm not a position to argue this point. However, when I did watch Fox News (10 - 15 years ago), this would have been a very wild exaggeration. Maybe they've gotten worse since then. I don't know. However, to suggest that this is a factor in blacks not supporting Republicans is laughable. Blacks have been heavily Democratic since the New Deal and almost unanimously Democratic (over 80 percent) since 1964. Fox News isn't why blacks don't vote Republican. At this point, it is a reflexive cultural and borderline religious phenomenon. If David Duke won a Democratic primary, he'd win the black vote.

    Republicans are frequently outside their comfort zone when it comes to politics. All they have to do is turn on the TV, look at a news website, watch a TV show or movie, attend a public school, or go to college, and they're immediately confronted with very vocal and confrontational liberals and Trump-haters. If anybody is in a bubble, it's political liberals in urban areas who are surrounded by other liberals and rarely, if ever, see a conservative and even less often see one who's vocal. (I do recognize that this isn't you, but you're a bit of a rarity.)

    This doesn't mean the white suburbanites who voted Democratic did so solely out of hatred. The factors are much more varied and complicated than that. Some of that is the fault of the GOP in how they market themselves and their brand. Some of it is Trump's absurdity. A lot of it is a change in the environment of modern suburbanites and how they grew up. The suburbanites of today are different than the suburbanites of the '70s, '80s, and '90s.

    This is tribal voting, and I'll admit that I roll my eyes when Democrats get righteous about it, because they would do and have done the same kind of thing. Hell, everybody in the country knows Bob Menendez is as crooked as a dog's hind leg, and he still won by 10 points. That doesn't mean people should have voted for Paxton (I didn't.), but the Republicans who voted for him are no worse than the Democrats who were willing to overlook Menendez.
     
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  2. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    While we are at it, I have always seen Democrats as lacking understanding of history and economics, pandering to the repeatedly failed system of socialism, intellectually dishonest, rooted in the politics of division, lacking individual accountability, willing to lie about anything in order to gain political positions, and guided by a false sense of superior moral conviction and awareness. As a good example, just watch the news any day at anytime.
     
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  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    "Trump was the first to do it.

    It's amazing how many Republicans take up and repeat the party line. On Blacks not joining the Republicans … have you seen how Blacks are portrayed in Republican Partisan news (Fox has them killing each other, playing the knockout game, and meanacing at the Polls in most portrayals."




    Crock
    So let us be clear you are asserting Obama DID NOT separate illegal children from parents?

    As far as Fox news reporting on blacks killing each other etc are you saying those incidents did not happen and no other news org reported them?
    For instance are you saying BP did not show up at polls with weapons? and No other news media reported it?
    Come on
     
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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Tuesday: The week started off well enough for the Left, with victories in the House. At long last, they won something, and were all thinking "this is fine."

    Wednesday: But then on Weds, Sessions retired and was replaced by a hard-charger. And then one of their spokesman, Jim Accosta, accosted a girl and got the boot from the WHPC for it

    Thursday: Ruth Bader Ginsburg was back in the hospital with broken ribs for the second time in 6 months

    Friday: Things seem to have escalated quickly. What next? Trump for the Nobel? Maybe Hillary will announce for 2020? That should make them smile
     
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  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    People keep saying that Republicans have to reach out to women, highly educated and minorities. But I don't see how they can do that unless they start promising hand outs like Democrats. The Conservative message is to everyone and is mostly color blind. To start talking about privileged groups and restoring power to under privileged groups is to assume Cultural Marxism is true and then the war is lost.
     
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  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  7. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 1,000+ Posts

    Ginsburg is practically unable to do anything anymore. Saw her give a panel speech recently online and she could barely talk. I'm not sure how she hasn't retired already. Shes not well.
     
  8. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 1,000+ Posts

    Beto Beto Beto! :fiestanana:
     
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  9. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    That's funny. Going forward, every time we mention Beta we should use the Fiestanana emoji in place of his name.
     
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  10. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    All my neighbors removed their :fiestanana:signs from their yards. Makes the neighborhood look much less trashy.
     
  11. TxnByBirth

    TxnByBirth 1,000+ Posts

    I'm up for calling Beta "The White Shadow" because of his amazing ability to mimic Obama's mannerisms and speech.
     
  12. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    SN
    none of my neighbors removed their beta:fiestanana: signs
    but they did steal mine for the second time last night.
    I was going to leave up until tomorrow.
     
  13. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    This is not new:

    15 After this Absalom got himself a chariot and horses, and fifty men to run before him.2 And Absalom used to rise early and stand beside the way of the gate. And when any man had a dispute to come before the king for judgment, Absalom would call to him and say, “From what city are you?” And when he said, “Your servant is of such and such a tribe in Israel,”3 Absalom would say to him, “See, your claims are good and right, but there is no man designated by the king to hear you.”4 Then Absalom would say, “Oh that I were judge in the land! Then every man with a dispute or cause might come to me, and I would give him justice.”5 And whenever a man came near to pay homage to him, he would put out his hand and take hold of him and kiss him.6 Thus Absalom did to all of Israel who came to the king for judgment. So Absalom stole the hearts of the men of Israel." - 2 Samuel 15:1-6
     
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  14. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I'm convinced this is why you can find plenty of rational conservatives who can articulate an accurate version of why liberals believe what they believe, and it's so rare that you can find a progressive who can articulate why conservatives believe what they believe.

    I've heard the liberal pro-choice arguments ad nauseam. I know why they want "common sense gun laws" (although I don't know what those actual laws are.) I know why they think the Christian baker should just bake the cake. And I understand their arguments, and believe them to be flawed for specific reasons.

    I can probably count on one hand the times that I've heard/read a coherent piece by a leftist that explains exactly why conservatives supported the baker (for example), and explains why those reasons are wrong or misplaced. They don't know, don't care, or some combination of the two. And frankly that's generous because I don't remember EVER having read one.
     
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  15. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    New York University psychology professor Jonathan Haidt, who used to consider himself a liberal, conducted a study where he asked people who identified as liberal or conservative to answer a list of ethical questions as if they were of the opposite belief system. For the most part, to his complete surprise, conservatives could accurately answer questions like a liberal would, but liberals could not do the same for the conservative position. Haidt now considers himself a moderate, FWIW.

    That's simply not what actually happened.
     
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  16. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Acosta has been acting like a dick for two years and has been pushing the envelope the whole time. The act of "accosting" the young woman probably would have passed without much issue had anybody else done it, but he has been building up to this moment for a long time. I for one am glad they pulled the trigger and got rid of him. It's not as if he was adding any value to the room after all.
     
  17. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    Please do explain what actually happened, then. What I saw was this:

    1) Acosta asks a question, which the POTUS answered
    2) Acosta tries to then start making a speech disguised as a follow-up question
    3) POTUS says I already answered your question and calls on another reporter
    4) WH aide attempts to take mic from Acosta so she can give it to the reporter the POTUS has called on
    5) Acosta pulls the mic away from her and pushes her away

    I can agree that "accosts" is probably too strong a word, but the left used "rape" and "sexual assault" against Judge Kavanaugh with considerably less evidence. Certainly Acosta did not follow proper decorum, and he got mildly physical over it. I am fine with yanking his credentials in response. Jim Acosta only cares about what is best for Jim Acosta.

    Change My Mind.
     
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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Florida Dems busy trying to steal the Senate election
    The best thing about Florida is that they make us look good

     
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  19. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Well, you know it's probably just a pun... Acosta accosts... that's what an Acosta does...
     
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  20. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    "This lady is bringing ballots out of her car!"

    Dun Dun DUNNNNNN
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It is not just Florida, the Dems are also going to steal Arizona

     
  22. theiioftx

    theiioftx 2,500+ Posts

    Florida is quickly taking over as one of the nuttiest states thanks to New York.
     
  23. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing.

    Good thing you guys don't do that. Y'all are great.
    Don't watch a lot of tv, but I've noticed Fox News is a little less hysterical than the others. I've never noticed that Fox has a racist bias. But maybe I have a racist bias? All that white privilege has made me numb I guess.
    Do you believe any of that? Really?
    I voted for Paxton. Dems are good at throwing ****. But it usually doesn't stick.
     
  24. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    I can't understand how ballots are still coming out of the wood works 2 days after the election. Shouldn't there be a time limit for when all ballots can be counted? Seems a bit fishy to me.
     
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  25. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Gee, you think so too? Glad I'm not the only one to notice.
     
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  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    To be fair, it was mostly Republicans who threw that ****.
     
  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    He resisted giving it back to her, but she never got the mic into her hands for him to take it from her. He also didn't push her. He did push her arm down, but it doesn't look like he even did that on purpose. He didn't use his palm, and he wasn't even looking at the woman. He was looking at Trump and "talking with his hands," and it was part of that hand gesturing that pushed her hand down almost surely inadvertently.

    I still don't have any sympathy for Acosta, because he's an unprofessional *******. His job is to question, but he's not supposed to stand up there and argue. And once another reporter is called on, he's supposed to hand over the mic over and shut his mouth. If he thinks more should be said, he's free to go on his network and rip the President as he often does. He's not free to take over the conference and grandstand.
     
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  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Judging the motivations of their opponents is what makes them feel righteous and virtuous. That's why they argue that conservatives are motivated by racism, sexism, bigotry, controlling women's bodies, etc. If you can frame your opponent not only as incorrect but as morally depraved, it becomes much easier to rally people to your cause, shame those who don't embrace your view, dismiss flaws in your position, and justify bad behavior by your side.
     
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  29. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Overseas ballots aren't even due yet in a lot of states.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    If we accept that dilemma, then we may as well give up and go home. There are some communities we can't reach. We'll never win or even get within striking distance of the black vote. We'll never win the Muslim vote.

    We'll probably never outright win the women's vote, but we don't have to because we have an advantage with men. We DO need to figure out how to regain married women. They've generally voted Republican. (Of course, the Left claims it's because their husbands are storming the house like drunken cave men, smacking them in the head with clubs, and forcing them to vote GOP.) This election, they voted much more Democratic than in the past. We need to reverse that. Acting like dicks doesn't attract them. We need to stop acting like dicks. And before anybody says it, yes, it shouldn't matter. But it does, and there will never be a time when it doesn't.

    Also, the whining about college educated and younger voters voting Democratic gets old. Yes, the conservative message is to everybody, but not everybody understands why that would be. Furthermore, messages don't resonate with everybody the same way. We need to figure out how to tailor our message to younger voters. Acting like we don't give a crap about their concerns (which is largely what we do) isn't working.

    We also need to step back and ask ourselves what went wrong with college-educated voters. They used to lean Republican. They now don't. Why is that? What can we do to fix that?
     
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