2022 House and Senate election

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  1. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Because he isn't there for them daily. The same thing he is criticizing. You really need to take the blinders off at times so you can recognize Republican candidates often have warts of their own.
     
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  2. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Is that really what he is being criticized for? Not being there Daily?
    He had them, He acknowledges them He supports them.
    It is not ideal anymore than divorced parents living in separate cities who are not there "Daily "
    But 100 times better than men who impregnate women and then run away or disappear. That is what he is criticizing
    OR have to be taken to court to pay

    This is purely political and hypocritical
     
  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I can't believe I'm having to get into this with a conservative. It just shows how much lower standards are post-Trump. We don't expect a damn thing any more. It's sad.

    "Acknowledging" your kids (whatever that means) and supporting them financially doesn't make one a good father. Is it better than fully abandoning the children? Yes, because it doesn't make the children solely the financial burden of the mother and the government. However, does it give one the credibility and moral authority to judge others for being bad fathers? No. There's a hell of a lot more to it.

    Did he teach his kids right from wrong - not just by saying it but by living it in his daily example so they could see it? Did he regularly take his kids to church, pray with them, read the Bible with them, and teach them to follow Christ? Was he there to lovingly discipline his kids when they did wrong? Did he love their mother as Christ loved the church to show his sons how they should treat their future wives and to show his daughters what they should look for in future husbands? When his kids had difficulties in schools, was he there to sit down with them (and/or their teachers) to make sure the difficulties were worked out? When those kids went to bed at night, did he hug them, tell them he loved them, and make them feel secure knowing that Dad will always be there for them and put his own life on the line to protect them and their home? That's the sort of thing a real father does, and the failure to do that sort of thing is the real failure of too many black men. It's not the acknowledgment or the money. Those things are essential, but they're nowhere near enough.

    I'm not saying this to suggest that people should go vote for Jeremiah-Wright-Jr.-with-a-touch-of-Ike-Turner. He's a disgusting person with a terrible agenda. I would definitely vote for Herschel, but this country has a real and massive problem of fathers (especially black but far too many white as well) failing to do their jobs. If we're going to have someone speak out on the matter, it should be someone who has walked the walk. That ain't Herschel Walker.
     
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  4. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Wow, while I might have tried I certainly cannot describe all my fatherhood experiences as meeting your criteria. But yet I do not feel like a complete failure, of course I’m not publicly criticizing others either (although I might feel free to do so on here). Hypocrite am I.
     
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  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Absolutely Walker is a douche canoe for having so many baby mamas. He is not the first nor will he be the last.
    But these innocent kids exist. Apparently he is and has been doing the right thing by them since he can't marry all the Mamas.
    He didn't hide it.
    Do you know each situation?
    Do you know what he has or has not done in their lives?

    BTW Who better to try to convince young black men to do the right thing?

    Yes he was a Pos . But let's not pretend all this now is not political instead of some genuine concern

    BTW care to hazard a guess at the number of white men who live up to your standards?
     
  6. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    My initial point of this may have been lost.

    A. He has been outspoken about absent African American fathers.

    B. His crazy *** son went on a rant about another African American man being a poor father (I don’t know the details) indicating that the subject of irony was lost on him.

    C. I don’t think that Herschel is a POS or even a bad father. He’s just not the one to lecture people on the topic of absent fathers. He would also be a senator that would make Tommy Tuberville seem like the least dumb senator.

    D. @Mr. Deez: Raphael Warnock may not be your cup of tea politically but he’s now a disgusting person? My daughter would refer to that as “aggressive”.
     
  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Come on. Nobody's perfect, but there's a very broad spectrum between perfection and being crappy. How about trying to meet the criteria and often succeeding? The inability to be perfect doesn't justify being crappy. You may not have been a perfect father, but I'll bet you were a hell of lot better than Herschel was. I'd sure as hell take your criticism seriously before I'd take his.
     
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  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Would she if I was talking about a Republican? Probably not. And yes, he's disgusting if domestic abuse and racism are disgusting. I think they are. I'm no fan of Walker's, but neither of these guys are decent men.
     
  9. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm glad he's doing the most right thing he can after decades of doing all the wrong things. That's better than the alternative, but it doesn't qualify him to lecture people about it. We need a better standard for that.

    A black man who has generally been a decent father. If you want an example of someone who would be better, I'll offer Terry Crews. If you want a politician, how about John James from Michigan?

    Of course it is, but that isn't the point.

    Nowhere near enough. Like I told nash, not being perfect doesn't justify or legitimize being crappy. I'm not perfect, and I don't expect perfection from others. The problem we have in this country isn't men being imperfect. It's men not even giving enough of a crap to try.
     
  10. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I agree with that.
     
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  11. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Gotta' quibble with you here. Herschel could be the one to politically lecture. But it is essential that he lead every single lecture with an acknowledgement of his own shortcomings in this arena. If he cannot do that, the people who most need to hear the lecture are far, far more likely to tune him out.

    A recovering alcoholic can lead a successful AA group, but not without fully revealing his own struggles on his journey to recovery to every member of the group, and repeating them to all new members. Same principle applies here, in my opinion.
     
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  12. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    So all I found was his ex accusing him of running over her foot and no charges were filed. Is that it?
     
  13. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Eyepatch McCain is a pretty good moniker.
     
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  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Yeah, that's it. It's amazing how when we're talking about a Democrat, it's no big deal. Suddenly the woman is presumed to be a liar who sorta had it coming to her, and even if she's telling the truth, all he did was run over her foot. Who among us hasn't gotten pissed off and hit our wife with the car a few times? Just routine stuff.
     
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  15. guy4321

    guy4321 250+ Posts

    Unfortunately, America wins the award, but it ain't just black. Everyone needs to be calling out absentee fathers.

    U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in single-parent households
     
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  16. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

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  17. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    True. Blacks get more attention for it because the numbers are much higher and have been for a long time. However, it's far too high among whites as well, so they certainly don't deserve a pass. Furthermore, there are a lot of white fathers who are physically present but mentally checked out. That isn't much better.
     
  19. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Liberals for the most part caused the dissolution of the core household. From Feminism and toxic masculinity, to no genders, to the freebie hand outs to single moms incentivizing this, to you name it. It's all about man hate so men are now taking their ball(s) home (pun intended). I can't even begin to explain the amount of men who view women as hateful and think they are nothing more than an expense. The number of males who will not get married no matter how many kids they have is on the rise because they've been told their whole lives they suck.

    There is a movement on the feminist front saying that all males should be required to have a vasectomy. WTF??
     
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  20. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    re Walker: what has he done to merit consideration as a Senator in the world's greatest deliberative body? He was a football star in Georgia. Sort of like how that makes Tommy Tubberville a suitable Senator from 'Alabama, no?

    Celebrities as candidates have a lot of appeal to parties because they have name identification already and that is important in a political culture where a sizable portion of the voters are politically illiterate and don't bother to inform themselves in a meaningful way. But that does not mean they bring anything useful to the table, though they may. We just don't know. for all I know, Kim Kardashian might make a thoughtful, well informed Senator. We just don't know. If you have someone who has been involved in electoral politics and has a record of being interested it is some indicia of a sense of responsibility. I don't think much of Warnock's stances but at least he has been involved a while. Walker is good at self promotion and being a celebrity.
     
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  21. guy4321

    guy4321 250+ Posts

    I don't always like being right, but I am.
     
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  22. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Inflation hurts the elderly because they're on fixed incomes, but it hurts young people too, because their incomes tend to be low. They also don't have investments that can help them weather inflation. It's a crappy deal for them. That's why I used to laugh when the media went on its brief spinfest that inflation mostly hurt the wealthy, when the exact opposite was true. It is the harshest on the poor.

    Are young voters smart enough to figure out what's wrong and how to fix it? Probably not. Even if they do, will they prioritize it enough to show up to vote to fix it? Good chance they won't. Remember, Bernie didn't lose to Hillary and Biden. He lost to weed, internet porn, and Nintendo.
     
  24. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    i wouldn't assume this means they are leaning more toward GOP. Many of them "disapprove" because they don't think he has done enough crazy left wing crap.
     
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  25. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    ^Unfortunately you may be correct. I just hope that group will eventually realize that the far-left policies are headed the wrong direction.
    They will catch on as they get older. There's an old saying - "If you're mot a liberal at age 25, you have no heart; if you're not a conservative at age 35, you have no brain."
     
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  26. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    You need to bump that by about 10 years. Your average young person has been filled with so much left-wing crap that it takes them a good decade to sort any of this out. We're getting dumber.
     
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  28. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    The US is the cornerstone of the global economy. When we catch a cold, so does everyone else. When it comes to global economics, we are almost always patient zero. Every aspect of inflation is not squarely at Biden's feet but it is at the feet of Dem policies. There were going to be supply chain disruptions w/ Covid. Dem policies made them worse. There were going to be inflationary pressures post Covid. Dem Build Back Better made them worse. There were going to be pressures on oil prices. Dem policies made them worse. And so far, Biden has gotten on board with standard Dem policies and even leading up to the election, he made rhetorical statements signaling he was going to do all of this....which made things worse.
     
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  29. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    US $ inflation is the Federal Reserves fault. Biden and his administration are culpable.

    Pretty much every other central bank is doing the same thing. That is on them. The ECB for instance is to blame for EU inflation.

    But they are all running the same play book.
     
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  30. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Didn’t Biden say our inflation was the lowest? I know he didn’t say we were middle of the pack.
     

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