2022 Recruiting - Football

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by Joe Fan, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Charlie was all about little Billie Powers legacy, which he hoped to use to erase his “legacy”!in the law school”.

    Herman can be blamed on dozens of people, too long to list. WE WERE WRONG!

    Only semi excuse was that after Powers blew the Saban deal, the coaching pool was slim to no pickins.

    Now we have a real AD, with real contacts, being supported by real money. Hopefully no maybes will get a look; more importantly, hopefully the deal is already done.
     
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  2. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    True. But not until herman suckered him after 18' 1nto extending him and opening the bank vault. $$$
     
  3. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    :lol: This is a great conspiracy theory!! Does your Bama buddy have ties to Giuliani or Sydney Powell??
    :fiestanana:
     
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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    5-star WR Caleb Burton (from just outside Austin) also to tOSU
     
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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The Athletic talking about how bad tOSU is kicking our *** inside our own state

    Tom Herman was hired at Texas a few months before the 2017 recruiting class signed, but his nightmare had already started: Another program came into his talent-rich state and took three of the most coveted players away. Herman’s program should be the one — when things are humming — that is the natural landing spot for these elite-level prospects.

    Herman was familiar with the program that had infiltrated his state, too. He helped it win a national title a few years earlier. And ironically, he was instrumental in starting the Texas-to-Ohio pipeline while an assistant under Urban Meyer from 2012-14.

    You can’t blame Herman for what occurred in 2017, when Ohio State signed five-star cornerback Jeff Okudah of South Grand Prairie High, five-star linebacker Baron Browning of Kennedale High and four-star all-purpose back J.K. Dobbins of La Grange High (also a top-50 national prospect). He had, after all, not been on the job long enough to form any kind of relationship with those players.

    But you can blame him that the 2017 class was not merely a blip on the radar. It’s still happening more than four years later.

    On Monday evening, Ohio State earned a commitment from Class of 2022 five-star receiver Caleb Burton of Del Valle High — less than a week removed from the Buckeyes landing five-star quarterback Quinn Ewers of Southlake Carroll, the No. 2 overall player and the No. 1 quarterback in the 2022 class. Ewers was once committed to Texas, but he broke his pledge to the Longhorns less than a month ago before ultimately committing to Ryan Day and the Buckeyes. The second Ewers decommitted from Texas, Ohio State became the clear favorite to land him.

    So let’s do the math here: Since 2017, Ohio State has landed seven five-star prospects out of Texas, and that doesn’t include Dobbins, who was a high four-star and the No. 46 overall player in the class. During that same span, Texas has landed only four five-star prospects in its own state.
    OSU vs. UT, 5-stars from Texas since 2017

    2022 Quinn Ewers QB tOSU
    2022 Caleb Burton WR tOSU
    2021 Donovan Jackson OG tOSU
    2021 Ja'Tavion Sanders ATH Texas
    2020 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR tOSU
    2019 Garrett Wilson WR tOSU
    2019 Jordan Whittington ATH Texas
    2018 Cade Sterns S Texas
    2018 B.J. Foster S Texas
    2017 Jeff Okudah CB tOSU
    2017 Baron Browning OLB tOSU
    If you want a reason Texas isn’t “back,” this would be a good place to start.

    Yes, it’s unreasonable to expect Herman to dominate his state in the same manner as other coaches at prominent state schools because Texas is an extremely difficult place to recruit. It’s an enormous state geographically, and given the depth of talent, Texas couldn’t possibly land close to all of the top players. Also, there are multiple Power 5 schools in the state — including TCU, Texas Tech, Texas A&M and Baylor — and every SEC powerhouse recruits Texas as well.

    So does Ohio State, clearly.

    But patterns like this? They are troublesome for Herman, especially when you’re talking about a prospect such as Ewers — a program-altering, homegrown quarterback who could be the missing link between middling around in the Big 12 and actually winning the conference, and, dare to dream, even more.

    Day and his receivers coach, Brian Hartline, deserve a ton of credit for these recruiting wins. Here’s an attempt to explain just how much talent they are accumulating (and it sounds like hyperbole, though it isn’t). If you were to take only the receiver and quarterback talent the Buckeyes have either signed or have committed from 2019-22, it would be enough to prop up multiple other conferences. You read that right — conferences, not teams.

    Let’s put that to the test. Each team gets two:

    • Jack Miller and Jaxon Smith-Njigba
    • CJ Stroud and Julian Fleming
    • Kyle McCord and Caleb Burton
    • Quinn Ewers and Garrett Wilson
    There are the quarterback and receiver building blocks for at least four teams that could eventually lead to a conference championship. Four of the eight players listed above are from Texas. That is downright absurd.

    The main reason Ohio State is an annual national title contender is how much pure talent it amasses. You may think, “Well, half of those players are going to transfer in the next few years.” Maybe so, but that means Ohio State’s 2022 roster will comprise the best versions of these elite-level prospects, all while keeping the leftovers off of a potential rival’s roster — for a few years at least. It’s pretty remarkable.

    There’s no telling what the future holds for Herman, who, in fairness, has “Crystal Ball” predictions on 247Sports for two other five-star prospects in Texas in the 2022 class. But one thing is certain: It’s hard to imagine the Longhorns as a legitimate national title contender until this trend changes.

    It’s truly incredible what Ohio State is doing in the Lone Star State.

    It’s also very concerning for Herman and Texas.
     
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  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Now Armani Winfield has been Fong'd to tOSU
     
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  8. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    Yup. Gonna get worse. If you are versed enough and don't need a translator in these kids social media you'll see the excitement for OSU and the mockery at mensa and ut.
     
  9. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 2,500+ Posts

    Heck tosu should just negotiate a deal with UT about switching locations to save on traveling expenses.
     
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  10. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 2,500+ Posts

    Looks like Alabama, clemson, ohio state, and Oklahoma will monopolize the playoffs for the next 6-10 years.:facepalm:
     
  11. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    And Georgia. We may sniff at hopes for a big XII title game every few years.
     
  12. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    Mike Roach has done the same. Winfield was uber high on Tx over the Spring and Summer. As good as Burton is , I really wanted Winfield.
     
  13. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 2,500+ Posts

    Except for a couple bright spots, UT recruiting done fell off a cliff.
    Surely, something is being done to rectify this situation, and only a coaching change is going to be effective.
    The writing is on the wall.
     
  14. longhornlegend

    longhornlegend 100+ Posts

    It does matter about winning but TH has not done it well enough to convince the overwhelming amount of Texas talent to stay in state. He is NOT a good recruiter. He consistently gets his arse handed to him so at some point, CDC has to say enough. Without a doubt, there is no more extension on his contract without marked improvement in product and recruiting. It would be hard to convince a rational person that the big cigars like TH. I still think we are stuck with him because of the significant financial impact covid has had the the complete debacle the university let the social justice take on the fans (pure BS). I think we can all see some improvement in the D but years of missing on LB's is just tough to overcome. Guessing the OL misery we are watching is just going to get worse.
     
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  15. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Legend,

    Again, the scamdemic and reduced ticket allotment has hurt this year, which proves that Herman's buyout is a drop in the bucket to the potential loss.

    This year's loss is likely in the $150 - 185 million range. Even if the governor opens the stadium back up to 100% (minus the band), the retention of Herman will likely cause the loss to be similar or greater next year, and between $100 - 150 million the following year. His crummy $19 million, plus another $5 for the staff is a drop in the bucket compared to increasing revenues $150 - 200 million a year over the next 2-3 years.

    IF a quality replacement is willing, the move has to be made and Herman knows it.
     
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    $150M here, $185M there, pretty soon we are talking about some real money
     
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  17. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    We were going to lose those millions this year due to the virus crap no matter what but it would have been easier to take if we were winning while losing.
     
  18. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    Ohio State putting the full court press on 5* North Shore DB Denver Harris. He's Tx #1 defensive target.
     
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  19. longhornlegend

    longhornlegend 100+ Posts

    I dont disagree but unless Urban Meyer is that guy, the rest is a roll of the dice much like the Charlie Strong debacle and TH. I dont think CDC is at the diminished level that Patterson was (still shaking my head on that one). Just want to be competitive like Texas should be and get rid of the cry baby victim BS from the player pool.
     
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  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Caleb Burton openly saying he's bringing the Texas players to tOSU
    They gonna win the NC with Texas players again
     
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  22. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    I mentioned. earlier in this post that the recruits are connecting via social media. Openly pushing each other into heading to ohio state. Any mention of texas is toxic to them.
     
  23. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

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  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    We did not make the top 6 for for five-star Domani Jackson
    Dude used to love us
     
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  25. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 2,500+ Posts

    Hey Joe,
    I respectfully ask that you include the positions these players play when you drop their names. This would be most helpful.
     
  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I usually do, in fact there are probably 5 or 6 posts by me in this very thread mentioning Jackson and his position - its all above. Once they announce they are headed somewhere else, i just dont feel the need to highlight it anymore
     
  27. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 2,500+ Posts

    Well after about 5 minutes of searching I still didn't find what position he was at I didn't find his name so I got tired of looking
     
  28. cnb

    cnb 500+ Posts

    5* CB from Mater Dei in California. Guess who his new leader is. It's a school in Ohio. And yes, we were in his top 3 at one point.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    6 posts on Jackson from this thread, in chronological order starting with the oldest

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  30. Desperado

    Desperado 500+ Posts

    Ewers made the list of 11 players for National QB of the Year. He’s the only junior on the list. There’s a senior from Pennsylvania on the list that’s committed to tOSU. Ewers reconsiders his commitment? I’m betting he does. Doesn’t mean the Horns are his fallback (unless a certain head coach gets hired).
     

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