2023 Portal Recruiting (Opens December 5th)

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by cnb, Nov 27, 2022.

  1. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    In case anyone is wondering. ..
    Below are the designated dates for the portal window to be open. This thread will most likely go mostly dormant until later in Spring.

    Id like to have Ovie in particular and maybe Omeire back, but happy Blue stayed and great thing to get Catalon and A.D. in the fold and end this round on a high note. FWIW. In general, it seems most of our outgoing portalees have landed at smaller schools the last few years with a few exceptions. Make of that what you wish, but Id say the deeper we get and the better the competitions for PT, the more we will see players landing higher. Ovie and Card landed well this year....we have seen success for JQJ and Rising at Utah. A WR to Tennesse I cant name now?.. Any others??
    As for incoming, we have seen mixed results from players like the oline dude (Johnson?) from Rice (filled a need..stopgap) Tucker Dorsey (jury out), Watts (a homerun get), Keilan (good get), Worthy (mixed but probably good we've had him), Neyor(high hopes), Hall and Billingsley(busts), and more.
    Others??
    :hookem:

    In the 2022-23 school year, the football portal is open Dec. 5-Jan. 18 and April 15-30.
     
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  2. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    cnb
    Thank you for this thread

    rain?
    So you think the Horns did just OK
    On losses vs gains ?
     
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  3. bishophorn

    bishophorn 500+ Posts

    Calvin Anderson was the Rice OT transfer in 2018 that was a good get for us.
    Correct me if I am wrong but Worthy was a Michigan recruit that was released from his letter of intent, thus his joining Texas a true freshman recruit, not transfer or portal.
    I do think the few portals we got this cycle reflect a more thought out process to get players who can start from day one, not to just become backups for example like, LB Devin Richardson (portaled from NM state, now portaled out to Wash.St.) and others that are gone now.
    I also think this means we have numerous quality underclassmen that will play this year and thus flushed out some that needed playing opportunities elsewhere.
     
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  4. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Good post^^^^^
    Thanks
     
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  5. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

  6. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Not sure who is right or wrong, but he may should have studied harder.
    I just read this yesterday from a regular Texas writer on fanside and it resonates as true based on my perspective of our incoming and outgoing with all things considered and Sarks stated approach to the portal. Dont think we have too much crazier outgoing movement than many other schools. A true grade isn't accurately reflected by the source/figure he used ...a net loss of talent(much like what happens sometimes with recruiting rankings and measuring #s vs quality and needs filled). The lower ranking however you slice it is due to lower# of signings....and we are not finished yet. The ranking he used also doesn't seem to properly account for needs met and depth chart and would penalize for, say, losing two 3rd stringers at deep positions but gaining 1 starter in a position of need. Desperate teams are trying to get anybodies they can and those who are better positioned and building more selectively and methodically are patiently picking and choosing.
    I think we should be pretty pleased with our position. It matches exactly what Sark said he would do and why and the timeline that was successfully utilized last season is still intact with a late Spring window upcoming.
    I think that 117 ranking is bogus.
    Here is the other guy's take:
    "According to the 247Sports Team Composite Transfer Rankings, Texas’ 2023 transfer class ranks at No. 32 in the nation and in the middle of the pack in the Big 12. But considering how Texas only has four portal commits in the 2023 class at the moment, ranking in the middle of the pack in the Big 12 isn’t all that bad. Texas has the fewest portal commits of any Big 12 team as of Jan. 21."
    Basically what he is saying is quality and needs met vs quantity and we aint done yet. There are only so many spots if you are filling your roster and building year to year properly even fewer and you better be targeted w your approach and manage the roster carefully. There are many factors in play and Sark it seems understands it well.
     
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  7. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Rain
    Thanks
    You explained it in a way that makes sense.
     
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  8. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Perhaps I should have mentioned that he assesses portal performance “exclusive of recruiting.” In other words, he does not take into consideration how a school has done from a recruiting standpoint in his “portal” rankings. Given that, it’s not surprising that teams like Alabama and Clemson (and many others) are ranked very low in his assessment of their portal performance.

    I have pushed back on his assessments. He does make a point that I find interesting. Like some of us, he believes that recruit rankings are extremely unreliable. Contrast that to the ability (the portal provides) to assess how a player has performed for a couple of years in a D1 or D2 program. His belief is that how a player is doing in college is a much better measure of their ability than to predict how a recruit will transition. It then follows that if “established players” at the college level are available, the probability of their being more predictable and reliable contributors is higher than is the case with recruits. While this is his opinion and not necessarily mine, it does merit consideration.
     
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  9. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Good stuff..
    My analytical and curious mind finds this all very interesting. We will gain a better understanding over the next few years as trends and outcomes/results become known. Id like to look at final outcomes and rankings of sort come May and see where big name schools, smaller schools, consistently winning schools, and smaller schools stand. (Though real outcomes will be measured on the field and not known for a few years).
    My primary observation for now is that a lot of these kids overestimate their value and again that there will be a disparity between programs with less deep rosters and many needs and those with proven talent, deeper rosters, and fewer needs. May see a near/blunted inverse of recruiting rankings in some cases.
    Important to bear in mind that egos, expectations, and motivation will play huge roles here...but not as big of roles as program needs and depth charts. Still, coaches have to navigate now a whole ..not all together new...but expanded set of considerations...When you go after a portal guy does it disenfranchise a guy already on your roster and he leaves? What kind of "guarantees" are coaches asked to make? My guess is only the best of coaches/minds will handle this well over the long haul and many who look impressive now will see some things blow up in their faces later. My perception is that Sark...even though we arent a big time winning leader right now...is taking an approach closer to those coaches/programs, and I think that is a good thing.
    I still worry he may be...like Jerry Jones...too liking/loyal of some guys and not do the hard things. That is a fatal flaw IF true.
     
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  10. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    ...a minor miracle
     
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  11. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Rain
    Want to point out I frequently over estimate my value
     
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  12. Your Wrong

    Your Wrong 250+ Posts

    I find that to be the case with many who post on message boards. I, on the other hand, feel as though my value is vastly undervalued. But not so much as to have a podcast.
     
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