2024 GOP Primary

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Mr. Deez, Feb 8, 2023.

  1. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    For sure. My cousin's wife is the perfect example. I don't like him. No way, he's mean.
     
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  2. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    That is exactly the response I get from my family. When I ask them about Uncle Joe they just shrug and say at least he isn't mean like Trump.
     
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  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It was the perfect storm for defeat. Obviously the media did everything they could to screw him and help the Democrats, as expected. However, he did everything he could to enable them. Though I don't think being "presidential" would ordinarily hurt him that badly, during a national crisis, it would and clearly did.

    If he becomes the nominee in '24, I think he'll do worse than in '20. Even if January 6 was exaggerated, he's still a sore loser who tried to get the election overturned illegally and could be indicted. That's going to cost him votes.
     
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  4. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Trump will lose the primary, but will bring down the party’s candidate. And if he wins the primary, he will have no chance in the general. He needs to step out and try to influence policy versus stroke his ego.
     
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  5. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    This frustrates Trump people, but the reality is that huge numbers of voters (enough to be decisive) don't vote on policy or performance. They vote based on which candidate makes them feel good and nothing else. And by the way, that has always been true (especially since women gained the right to vote). We can accept that and try to nominate people who aren't needlessly obnoxious, or we can needlessly lose.
     
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  6. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    And this will be the same environment DJT will be running in again. 1/3 are always GOP, 1/3 are always Dem. the 25-30% that are in the middle are flexible. some because they have 50/50 opinions on Dem v GOP policy but others because they vote for the person rather than the party. DJT loses in most cases where the voter is not firmly committed to most typical Conservative principles. He loses in almost all cases where they vote based on person/personality. And his off-putting personality is enough to tip the scales away if the voter is 50/50 on policy. He got a lot of votes in 2016 because people didn't have a super strong opinion of him. They might not have been crazy about him but they didn't HATE him. Now, many HATE him and that negative will keep him from winning in a general.
     
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  7. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    That's true. They vote for people with charisma and DeSantis doesn't have it. I'm not sure he can beat Trump in the primary.
     
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  8. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I find this puzzling...that Texas is not on this list.
    "Governors in Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming formed the alliance Thursday in what they described as an effort to ensure American retirement funds are not used for "woke" investments. "
    Texas already made moves in this direction so it seems weird that we aren't part of this coalition. Is this just about Desantis v Abbott POTUS gaming ?

    DeSantis forms alliance with 18 governors to combat Biden's ESG push: 'Direct threat to the American economy' | Fox News
     

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  9. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    That's true. He's a sharp debater and a good persuader, but he's not charismatic. Can he beat Trump in the primary? I'm not sure that he can either. Trump has a hard 35-ish percent of the primary vote. If Desantis is the only competitive candidate in the race, then he has a very good chance. If Nikki Haley, Tim Scott (both of whom have more charisma than Desantis), or someone else gains significant traction, Trump probably wins the nomination. It'll be a repeat of 2016.
     
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  10. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Unfortunately a repeat of 2020. Trump cannot generate the numbers to win a General Election.
     
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  11. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Even if you don't believe in election fraud studies show that Trump would have won 2020 if not so much blatant disinformation on Covid, Hunter Biden laptop, etc. which won't be prevalent in 2024. However, if DeSantis doesn't win the primary nomination let's just give up and concede 2024. That's the only rational thing to do of course.
     
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  12. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 2,500+ Posts

    Biden. Charisma?
     
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  13. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Biden doesn't have much charisma either but that's not the point here. DeSantis doesn't match up well against Trump.

    Biden didn't get 81M votes either.
     
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  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    He's not charismatic, but that's not the only factor. Biden doesn't have Trump's political liabilities and doesn't go out of his way to give his adversaries ammunition. Furthermore, as a Democrat, he operates in a different universe. If he's not charismatic, the media will charismatically shill for him, which makes his personal charisma far less important.
     
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  15. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Biden doesn't go out of his way to give his adversaries ammunition?

    I suppose he is so stupid that the multiple instances of plagiarism (which, by themselves, should have ended his political career) were not going out of his way - they were just convenient.

    I suppose he is so naturally corrupt that the multiple instances of being known to be on the take (which also should have ended his political career) were not going out of his way - they too were just a natural extension of who the man is.
     
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  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Not like Trump does, no. He's does it almost nonstop. But even if Biden did do it as much, he's a Democrat, so he works in a different environment. If Biden trips over his dick, the media will ignore it. If Trump trips over his dick, the media will ignore everything but it.
     
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  17. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    If? Remember when Biden was somewhat lucid and said he wanted to punch Trump in the mouth? That was tripping, and it was ignored by all but Fox and maybe OAN.
     
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  18. Facing Addiction

    Facing Addiction 500+ Posts

    Interesting to see how the hispanic percentages moved last election..... Will we see it move more in 2024?

    CNN’s Chris Wallace Asks Eva Longoria To Explain Why ‘Hispanics Are Now Saying Maybe I’ve Got A Place In The Republican Party?’ (msn.com)

    In the 2018 midterms, 69% of Hispanics voted for the Democratic candidates for Congress, while 29% voted for Republicans. That’s a 40 point margin for the Democrats. But in the last midterms, this past November, the margin had dropped to 60% for Democrats and 39% for Republicans. So. it went from 40 point margin pro Democrat to 20 point margin.
     
  19. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Could it be those who have immigrated legally from Mexico are pissed about the illegals?
     
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  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Vipe
    You are right. Many have been interviewed and said that exact thing.
    PLUS those who came here legally are pi**ed the illegals come here and expect freebies.
    Freebies that those who are legal are paying for like the rest of us
     
  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Lol.

     
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  22. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Someone is actually showing real leadership.

     
  23. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Not sure I agree. Why should DeSantis or anyone comment on something that hasn't happened yet?
    Didn't DKR say something about " what iffin"?
     
  24. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Because public opinion, regardless of what the law says, can and does affect legal outcomes.
     
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  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Don't you think DeSantis and others will comment on it if it happens
    Don't think commenting on it now would sway the Soros DA from not attesting Trump
     
  26. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    It might not sway but it doesn't hurt to have another big name saying this is BS. I'm hoping if it does happen DeSantis will become vocal about it.
     
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  27. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I agree. I think DeSantis will be vocal if it happens.
    I wonder if they really going to arrest Trump
     
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    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

  29. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    According to this article the majority of the NY DOJ office hates this idea of an indictment.
    60% of Attorneys in DOJ Manhattan Office Reportedly "Want No Part" of Soros Connected DA Braggs Made-up Case Against President Trump
     
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    Last edited: Mar 19, 2023 at 5:41 PM
  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Garm
    Wow
    Could it all be falling apart?
     

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