A Liberty Based Political System

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  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Reading a book called "The Ethics Of Liberty" about how to build out a legal system that promotes liberty and encourages people to a live according to natural law. Just finished chapter 1.

    The Ethics Of Liberty - Natural Law And Reason
     
  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Natural law isn't well defined in the chapter. It really doesn't even discuss the importance but I think it is critical to building a truly free society and political system. There is enough freedom in it for it to appeal to libertarians, and the book is written by one of their superstars. It should also appeal to conservatives of all different flavors. Natural law proposes a conservative vision of the world. Of course it would it was formulated by Thomas Aquinas, one of the great Western thinkers of all history.
     
  3. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Natural law attempts to define what human nature is by observing what gives humans the best life possible. That is covered a bit more in chapter 2.
     
  4. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Chapter 2 starts argues that there is a definable human nature, and that natural law can be understood in light of that. Rothbard addresses several critiques natural law theory, some convincing some not so much. I just think there is a better way to defend.

    The Ethics Of Liberty - Natural Law As "Science"
     
  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    The big question is, does human nature exist? Or are humans completely blank pages and mutable to do and think anything?

    Thomas Sowell called this the constrained view vs. the unconstrained view. The constrained view believes the human nature exists. The subject has a variety of implications. I comment on one important one here.
     
  6. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Who ordered a book report?
     
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  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    It's called commentary. :smokin:
     
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  8. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

  9. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    bystander, it fits because the underlying principle is the same. What should be the basis of laws? Should it be based on racial discrimination, positive or negative? Should it be on the whims of rulers? Or should laws be based on some sort of objective standard. Sotomayor is example par excellence of someone who rules based on subjective, moral relativity. The book is about how to base laws on the objective standard of natural law and then what that type of legal system would look like.

    The US started closer to a natural law ethic but is rapidly sliding away from it.
     
  10. towersniper

    towersniper 100+ Posts

    What? Sotomayor's argument was not in any way "racist." In the Puerto Rico case she argued that residency in Puerto Rico was not a rational basis for denying a U.S. citizen living in poverty in a US territory the same rights as similar citizens living in states, that is, that there is not a rational basis for treating that citizen differently from citizens living in states on the issue of individually based benefits. She further argued that Congress' general power to "make Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory" did not permit it to make rules that violated constitutional rights of citizens living there (equal protection rights). She doesn't write a word about race.
    One may disagree with her conclusions, or ***** about prevailing law concerning Fifth Amendment rights, but just exactly how do you turn her arguments into "bald-face racism?"
     
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  11. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    Yes. It is. 8-1. She is clearly there for one reason and that is to cover for her race. Period. She has always been like this.

    You don't have to write about race. You have to write about the outcome you silently decided on before hand because of race.
     
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  12. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I read her opinion, and I have to agree with TS. It's not a racist opinion, and she didn't adopt a racist p position. She's simply arguing that the equal protection requirement of the Fifth Amendment prohibits discrimination among US citizens on the basis of territory status. I think she's wrong, but it's not because her analysis is crazy. It's because the equal protection requirement of the Fifth Amendment is ******** and has no constitutional basis whatsoever. However, she's relying on a 68-year old Supreme Court case that's settled law, even if it's stupid and massively illiterate, so it's hard to fault her too hard.
     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    @Horn6721 , so I just get pooped with no explanation? What did I get wrong here?
     
  14. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    Since I have to defer to your legal training I won't argue the merits of her opinion. I am definitely looking high level and believe she will always reach for something to protect her people. He "wise Latina" comment tells me she is steeped in it along with other things she had done. I don't trust her. 8-1 means something to me. Does her lone opinion make her some sort of visionary or an activist showboat?
     
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  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Deez
    I have no explanation
    I thought I hit winner
    I am going to stop trying to hit emojis when using phone. .
     
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  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm not telling anyone to trust her. She is an activist showboat. I'm simply looking at this one opinion. I disagree with her analysis, but if you apply the VA equal protection requirement, the outcome she reaches isn't crazy. What's crazy is thinking the equal protection requirement even exists, but that craziness was adopted by the Court in the 1950s. I can't blame Sotomayor for it. It happened about a month before she was born.
     
  17. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Couldn't this sort of reasoning destroy the no-federal-income-tax for Puerto Rico residents benefit?

    There may be an argument that income taxes are only to come from persons in the "several States" based on the 16th Am text?:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
     
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  18. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    But back to the original purpose of the thread:

    Our Declaration of Independence is based squarely on Natural Law.
     
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  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Yes. Natural rights come from natural law which are explicitly stated too.
     
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  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Yes.

    Not gonna fly. This change was made to make apportionment among the states not important. Basically, any income made in the United States can be taxed. It was stupid language to adopt, but it's what we chose - one of the biggest mistakes we've ever made.
     
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  21. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

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  23. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    In the next section Robinson Crusoe is used as a thought experiment to develop a liberty based political system. The discussion starts with a discussion of property rights and freedom of choice.

    The Ethics Of Liberty - A Crusoe Social Philosophy
     
  24. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

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  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

  26. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

  27. Monahorns

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  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Is that a trick question?
     
  29. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    How many times are we going to hear that? Been four months and it STILL happens...we are going to chip in and get you some glasses LOL!
     
  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Just attribute to my charming eccentricities. :fiestanana:
     

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