Whatever FINALLY marginalized and pushed the KKK into the waste bin of evil racism needs to happen to Nazi's. I'm stunned that it has gotten this far. I think Trump missed a chance on that one.
Has anyone bothered to search Antifa's organization and routine activities worldwide? Please take the time and then come back and tell me modern day Nazis are even 1/10th of the size in numbers and not dwarfed by Antifa's campaign of violence. What we're seeing in the U.S. now is the infancy of what is a full blown terrorist organization in Europe. Our local agitators are beating people and throwing urine. The massive groups overseas are firebombing cops and routinely killing people. Liberals you have no f'n clue what you're claiming has no moral equivalency to Nazis. Sure they don't compare to Hitler's bunch that has been eradicated long ago. The Nazi movement today is weak and toothless. While Antifa is huge and actively terrorizing the world. If not checked before its too late they'll do the same here. Honest to God, what is behind this sick Lib devotion to usher in and protect radical groups that wish to kill citizens? Europe is right there for all to see... Antifa protests in the 1000's with members pouring in from all over the world to form an army. They firebomb police and use deadly weapons to kill anyone they target. Radical Muslims own no-go zones and will gravely attack any citizen (police or otherwise) who enters their claimed territory. Rape gangs run rampant with no fear of blowback. But nevertheless you people want to open up the borders and let the refugees flow in like wine. You want to minimize the danger of Antifa and scream about Nazis who are weak, impotent, limp d*cks in modern society. You provide sanctuary protection even to illegals who're convicted rapists and murders. Sadly, this Liberal sickness must be cured one way or another before it's too late. How long will it take until the American people wake up and realize it's time to reverse an old saying...the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
Except the initial point of this thread was that a Breitbart writer was pretending to be a member of antifa at a UW thing that led to a right wing nut job person shooting someone.
There are a lot less white supremacists today than when I grew up in the 70's and 80's. It's a non-problem. Dems getting scared of the black vote for Trump.
Given the fact that people of this mindset are responsible for more violent attacks in the US than Islamic terrorists. Is that still a non-problem to you?
Is that true? They are trying hard to not look like the skinheads of yore. Rather, khaki's and white shirts are the recommended outfit from some of their leaders to appear to look like you or me. They've realized that looking lie a nazi skinhead may be a turnoff. I'd argue there are many more "whites" that now agree with them (white supremacists) as they feel threatened by losing the "majority" status. The only difference is that they know "white supremacy" is bad. Quietly agreeing with the majority of the white supremacist platform is better.
Given that identity politics and victim culture appear to be the well spring of the violence on both sides, is it really a "Nazi" problem?
Yes, it is true (more racists in the past). I would agree that more whites are buying into the victim culture. Did you read this article in Salon? It talks about identity politics on the right as well. http://www.salon.com/2017/09/02/tim...ics-its-dragging-the-progressive-agenda-down/
The bigger question is not why we are "allowing" someone to praise Nazi symbolism. If you're advocating extrajudicial violence, there is no bigger question. You're the one who's out of line, and you're the one who's a threat to the liberty and safety of your fellow Americans. It's like the people who have murdered abortion doctors. They oppose abortion like I do. However, once they decided to carry out violence, the fact that they may have been "right" about abortion is of no consequence. They're out of line and worthy of prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's the same reason we don't have national churches, slavery, quartering of troops in private homes, etc. The Constitution prohibits imposing "repercussions." "Standing up" has its limits. Speak out against Nazism? By all means, do so. But once you advocate violence, you're off the mark. In addition, as terrible as it is, fascism isn't the only dangerous ideology, and it's not even the most imminently threatening. Here's what also gets lost. Nazism isn't difficult to discredit. There's a reason why it has few adherents. However, if you act out in violence, you lower yourself to the Nazis' level and actually lend Nazism a degree of credibility that it doesn't deserve. Of course, your Antifa people don't go along with this, because most of what's wrong with Nazism is also wrong with their ideology. However, a generally fair-minded (if somewhat misused) guy from Mobilhoma should know better than to align with either group.
The thing is... Our society today is kind of fascist. Not like like 1930s Germany, but if you look around a lot of the systems we have put in place over the last 80 years or so is fascist.
The Federal Reserve Bank, utilization of experts to justify political action, FDA, Bank bailouts, Car company bailouts, DACA, identity politics, Fannie and Freddie are examples, Executive branch power expansion. Some are better examples than others. Anything where government interferes in the private sector in order to benefit a group of people over another or where government dictates private action through onerous regulations and laws or things where power is centralized. Laws and regulations set up to protect the individual or the rights of the individual or that apply to all individuals equally should be understood to be more liberal.
Yes, Obamacare is a great example. Close supervision of industry by the government. It is done to advantage one group at the expense of another and it greatly adds to the centralization of power into the Executive branch.
You appear to be using a pretty different definition of fascism than everyone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism and here is the Atlantic's view on how fascism evolved.
Definition of fascism 1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Let's see how the definition above applies to Obamacare: 1. Exalts nation above individual - Obamacare forces individuals to buy it 2. Centralized autocratic government - making health care decisions for individuals 3. Headed by a dictatorial leader - Obama and his unconstitutional changes to Obamacare after it passed Fits pretty good in my book.
We have f'n fascists running free in the streets with torches, waving f'n Nazi flags, doing the hiel hitler, etc. and you base your definition of fascism on a law passed through the House and the Senate that was debated on the senate floor for, I think, 29 days? Seriously? Hell, Trump would overturn the cure for cancer if it had been done between 1/20/2009 and 1/19/2017. Kimmel's line about bring back bin Laden was classic.
You're onto something. My fricking drivers license is also fascist. So is the gosh darn liability insurance I'm forced to purchase in order to drive. The effin' speed limit is also fascist. Those street lights? Straight up dictatorial control the "the man". I'm really fed up with this fascism. Tomorrow lets talk about the fire department, pubic schools or stupid Microsoft leaving me no other corporate options but to buy Windows OS. That's right...all fascists! Down with Satya Nadella! Someone better alert our dictator Barak Obama that someone a tall man with tiny hands is sleeping in his White House bed.
I guess we all have a little fascist in us. I get so damned mad when individuals want to exercise their nonconformity by driving northbound in the southbound lanes on the interstate. If it was dictator, I'd put the folks who do that in jail ... and if we ran out of cells in concentration camps.
You can argue that Obamacare moves in the direction of fascism, but you have to narrow the issues to do it. Obamacare does seem to imitate the economic policies promoted by fascist governments in the sense that it uses a powerful state to regulate and direct private resources to serve the national government's policy and economic preferences in the area of health insurance and financing. It differs from how socialist governments behave in the sense that it maintains private ownership of the system (and everything that goes with that - profit motive, etc.) rather than making it state-administered owned and state-administered. It's also important to recognize that it generally only regulates the financing of healthcare, not its actual delivery.
But Deez, that is what fascism does. Fascism does not nationalize industry or deliver goods necessarily, it controls those things through strict bureaucracy to accomplish political goals. That is Obamacare 100%. No need to narrow any issues to see that. That is the steady march of our government for at least 80 years. SH, go back and read the wikipedia article. Much of what I described is found within that article. Collecting people into victimized groups to fight back against a liberal democracy is one major feature of fascism, whether whites or minorities. It also describes a mixed economy with a very large central power. We have that when considering the banking system alone. According to wikipedia, we have fascism all over the place in our society today. The dictionary definitions are woefully inadequate. I'm sorry. That doesn't mean that any government provided public goods is fascistic in nature. A DMV or DPS can reside within a liberal democracy or a fascistic state. The issue is to what end are they used and to what degree is the government encroachment and control of other parts of society. Have you heard anybody in the media or politics say "everything is politics or everything is political"? That is fascist philosophy in a nutshell. I think it is time we in the US all wake up to the fact that fascism did win WW2. Just not the country we all associate with it.
Thanks for the respectful response, Monahorns. What's missing when throwing out the term "fascism" is the dictator. The central person directing these changes. Socialism is being confused for fascism. Why? The latter is a more loaded word. That's why liberals pulled it out to use with Trump too. It incites a negative response that socialism does only to a specific audience. This is why some candidates still run under the "socialist" banner (see: Bernie Sanders and his "Democratic Socialism") yet you'll never see anyone claim to be fascist. It's always a word hurled at the other side. Sure, there are elements of socialism in fascism in terms of the nationalistic elements but they are merely similarities. You'll get no argument from me that there are socialist elements that have crept into our society over the last century. Look no further than Social Security as the best example. Of course, I'm not sure any "pure" political system has ever lasted the test of time so it's in all our best interests to evolve.
Read the definition again. Racism is not a requirement for fascism. But guess what, socialism is a requirement. NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Which means, ironically, you are closer to being a Nazi than anyone on this board.
Nazis went after Jews cause they were an obstacle in how the state could manage major industries and like for nationalistic purposes. Substitute private insurance companies for Jews, and you will see how Obamacare was fascist for a nationalistic end.
You are the only one who seems confused. It's pretty clear to me what the various political systems mean.
Or rather you understand the impact of using the term "fascism" so you cherry pick the facts and ignore those that don't support the premise. Some people call that a political agenda.
I call that projection because that is exactly what you are doing, sort of like people (for example) calling someone racist if he/she disagrees with them on immigration policy. Only one side is doing that, and it's not mine. By the way, I've been calling Obamacare fascist since 2008, long before these knuckleheads were holding rallies.
I ain't the only one. Note the datelines. https://www.google.com/amp/reason.com/blog/2013/01/18/john-mackey-was-right-the-first-time-oba/amp https://spectator.org/34058_obamacare-socialism-or-fascism/
Wow, here is a liberal article on fascism that does not mention race at all. I wonder why that is? Maybe because Obama was in the White House and not Trump? Isn't it clear which side is using the fascist term today for political purposes? http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14007-no-actually-this-is-what-a-fascist-looks-like The 1983 American Heritage Dictionary defined fascism as: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism." It appears SJW's have influenced the current definition of fascism when compared to the 1983 definition.
Hitler targeted the Jews because many prominent German Jews were Communists during World War 1. Hitler blamed them for ending the German war effort prematurely. He was confident that if Germany would have stayed in the war they would have eventually won. He saw their influence as a Communist influence to weaken the German state during wartime, which he viewed as treason. He was a racist so he applied his anger at a few people to a whole ethnic group.
