AOC is correct...

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by nashhorn, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Our country will be destroyed in 12 years, most likely less......but not from global warming.
     
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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  3. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    If it is destroyed, it will be the liberals who destroy it with their blatant endorsement of socialism.
     
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  4. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    Or the jack booted authoritarianism. We seem to have this divide across the globe. Not a good thing.
     
  5. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    OUbubba, you have a point. It seems like a looooong time ago, when the members of Congress would reach across the aisle and develop a workable consensus. The polarization between the parties has locked us into an era of contention instead of an era of cooperation. I am a conservative - but I also recognize that others in the country don't share my view. And that's okay - if everyone would just realize that cooperation will get more done than polarization.
    I'm still violently opposed to socialism. And I think (just my opinion) that most mainstream Democrats won't endorse socialism. Perhaps the relatively moderate faction of the Democratic Party will prevail. Someone will need to put a muzzle on AOC and her cronies.
     
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  6. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    Holy Tom Herman! I kind of agree with you. I think it's the role of AOC/the squad/Bernie to pull left just as it is the role of ?Louie Gohmert/Gaetz/Cotton? to pull the right to their end. The challenge as see it is that [I can point it out for your side better, so I know that the same can be said towards the left] conservative heroes of the past like Reagan would not be popular in today's GOP. The McCain/Romney's of the world are discarded in favor of the uber conservatives. And, if the uber conservatives were pushing back on debt that would be one thing as we could all benefit from that. They've all but ignored that topic since 1/20/17. I have a feeling it will suddenly become a major issue on 1/20/2021. :) They're pushing us toward a world where Ivanka and Junior are planning on their political future.

    Good talk!
     
  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It might not surprise anyone but I disagree with both of you.
    When Republicans compromise with Democrats, Republican voters always lose.
    It's been this way at least since Bush #1
    My side is sick of it
    So, no more compromises
    Just beat them, control it all and ram it down their throats
     
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  8. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    Recall that when the Dems gained control of the Congress and the White House in the Obama term, we had Obamacare jammed down our throats with no discussion permitted. I feel (just my opinion) that a bit of consensus would have helped; as it was, the GOP had no voice in it, and look at the mess it created.
     
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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    There was also 60 Dems in Senate which likely won’t happen again, but that won’t matter as Dems say they will get rid of filibuster if they gain control of the Senate again.
     
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  10. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    OUBubba, I agree. Spending has gone out of control. I shudder to think what we're leaving for my grandchildren. Now, to be realistic, in order to get some semblance of control on government spending, some sacred cows are going to have to be cut. Changes like raising the age for receiving Social Security and removing the cap on wages subject to FICA will have to be considered. On the other side, welfare programs have to be sliced, too. Maybe there should be a lifetime limit on how long one can receive benefits - if you believe that welfare should be a "hand up" and not a "handout," something like that would make sense. It would put a great emphasis on getting off the welfare roll and onto a payroll. We could go on for pages and pages, but you get the idea - there are no easy answers to cutting spending, but not cutting spending is not the right answer.

    Your thoughts?
     
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  11. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    I have chosen to never affiliate myself with a party for a big reason. I was once reading some of the letters my forefathers had written some of the leading thinkers of the time. For those that don't know, I'm referring to Henry Lighthorse Lee and his brother Francis Lightfoot Lee. They represented Virginia in signing the Declaration of Independence. They had an active role in the formation of this country. In their correspondence with men like Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, etc. A rather ordinary letter posed this question.

    Do you love your party more than your country?

    I pondered that question for days, what are my motivations are they to get more power for a political party or are they for the betterment of my country.

    In the end, I have disavowed myself from any political party, I have my commitment to the principals of Judeo-Christianity, and the Constitution of the United States. I don't concern myself where we came from to get here, we are here now and we have to deal with the hear and now.

    When you understand who our founding fathers were and their motivations for why they put what they did into our constitution, it makes sense for us to protect it, even if we have to fight to do so. This is why I will never give an inch in protecting our 2A rights. If we give in on that one principal we will give in on others, until we are no longer a free people.

    This country is filled with wolves in sheep clothing, and now it seems they are throwing off their disguise as they are ready to openly attack their enemy. To steal a metaphor from Star Wars, both sides see themselves as the Rebel Alliance fighting the evil empire.

    For me, I will stick to my principals and oppose anything and anyone that wants to destroy our constitution and the freedoms it affords us.
     
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  12. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    That’s what I meant HHD, the liberal socialists, or socialist liberals will surely destroy the country well before any climate change kills us. BLM, the organization not the true believers, will play right into their hands too.
     
  13. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Authoritarianism is bad but if they protect real economic freedom they are way better than socialists. Socialists shoot political opponents in the head and starve everyone else. Authoritarian capitalists shoot political opponents in the head and everyone else gets buys a house, has kids, and happily retires.

    If I have to choose between the two. If not I choose classical liberalism or even less government with tons more freedom for everyone.
     
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  14. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    european socialist companies are not that way. Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Eastonia, France are countries with a socialist bent that do fine. We have some socialist institutions and no one is going up in flames.
     
  15. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    I don’t much disagree. The amount of people on disability is nuts.
     
  16. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Sweden, Finland, and Denmark aren't socialist, so pick some other places. France is kind of, and much of the blood shed of the 20th century proceeded out of them. They started it in the 18th century and in the 19th century attempted Communism for the first time in Paris. It was all a disaster. Like I have said before. Read more. You have a lot to learn.
     
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  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Barry, as Monahorns said, those aren't socialist countries. They are largely free economies with generous welfare programs. Socialist countries require the public ownership of the means of production - places like North Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviet Union. Is your average Democrat smart enough to understand this distinction? No. Europeans understand it, because they've actually seen socialism and have major political parties that advocate for it.

    It's the difference between Joe Biden and AOC. Joe Biden is a social democrat. AOC is a socialist
     
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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    There are plenty of bad Republican politicians too. No doubt about that. Even sometime warriors turn out to be compromised, for example Jim Jordan and Google.

    However, it very important to keep voting Republican in federal elections for one reason -- keeping independent and honest judges on the federal courts. If the Dems manage to gain control of everything else in DC, then the Judiciary Branch are the only ones who can stop them. They are our last line of defense and the only hope for the survival of the Constitution.
     
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  19. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    So you're saying that to be "socialist" that you have to be communist, right? Even the AOC's and the Bernie's of the world don't want that. 99.999% of people clamoring for more "socialism" mean more like the scandanavian model. So, we're all capitalists and on the same page now?
     
  20. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    I thought you guys despised "activist judges"?
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    You deserve to be made to give back the land you stole
     
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    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  23. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    No, implicit in his comment is that the Constitution is much more rigid than Liberals care to acknowledge and the mere fact of that acknowledgement by Conservative jurists would stop the court from being a rubber stamp, made as instructed body. They would be political. They would no longer provide the balance that is vital because Congress will always be party driven.

    The problem with the penumbra covered, living breathing document crap for a ruling is that SCOTUS is essentially amending the Constitution.

    I'll give you two examples of a living, breathing document:

    1) AMENDMENTS
    2) The use of the term arms in the 2nd amendment. That is a scalable term.
     
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  24. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Is it just me or do Totalitarian Socialists just like to cherry-pick "the good" from either all-white countries or dictatorships (Cuba)? In other words, countries that do not have our unique blend of color, pulling in all directions except the same.
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    A lot of games get played with the semantics. However, you can be a socialist without being a communist. For example, you can be a national socialist.

    I think most Democrats are advocates for the Nordic Model - basically a capitalistic economy with a lot of welfare and a lot of unionization. However, I don't think that your Justice Democrats (Bernie, AOC, Ilhan Omar, etc.) are Nordic Model advocates as an end but as a transition to a true totalitarian communist state. The reason why is that they actively praise regimes that are. Bernie will say nice things about Norway, but he also says nice things about Cuba, Venezuela, and the Soviet Union. The dude honeymooned to the Soviet Union. How friggin' romantic. Well, those aren't Nordic Model countries. They are totalitarian communist regimes. That's where his heart is.
     
  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I don't claim to despise activist judges. I despise judges who don't consider themselves bound by the written law.
     
  28. Creek

    Creek 500+ Posts

    I think Biden can’t be defined as to having a specific platform or political ideology as he has very limited original thought and says what his handlers tell him to say. He also jumps around on his stances,views, opinions depending on opinion polls. The democrats might as well bring out a humanoid as Biden certainly doesn’t have any original or reliable thought left and probably less likely to short circuit during crucial times.
    With regards to him saying he will only choose a black VP—Is actually a slam on black folks, by insinuating that is all it takes to get their vote.
     

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