AP Top 25 poll 12/1

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  1. Chop

    Chop 1,000+ Posts

    The new AP poll is out.

    1. LSU
    2. Ohio State
    3. Clemson
    4. Georgia
    5. Utah
    6. Oklahoma
    7. Florida
    8. Baylor
    9. Alabama
    10. Wisconsin
    11. Auburn
    12. Penn State
    13. Oregon
    14. Notre Dame
    15. Minnesota
    16. Memphis
    17. Michigan
    18. Iowa
    19. Boise State
    20. Appalachian State
    21. Cincinnati
    22. Virginia
    23. Navy
    24. USC
    25. Air Force

    Others receiving votes: SMU 50, Oklahoma State 36, Kansas State 36, UCF 6, Virginia Tech 6, Iowa State 5, Arizona State 4, California 3, Washington 2

    We now have 2 service academies, Navy and AF, in the top 25. You don't see that every year. Baylor is at 8, and Oklahoma is right behind Utah. SMU is the first team out, followed by OSU and KSU. ISU is the 6th team out. This was a weird year all around.
     
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  2. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    What happens if Utah and OU loses? Baylor in?
     
  3. AC

    AC 1,000+ Posts

    I’m surprised we’re not in the top 34? Doesn’t matter.
     
  4. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    The loser of the $EC CCG over Baylor. Just the way it is. The real question is will aOSU make it if they lose to Whisky?
     
  5. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 1,000+ Posts

    Yes.
     
  6. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

    Bama will take the open slot. If there isn't an open slot, the Committee will make one by bumping someone down.
     
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  7. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Fla? Really #7? That’s unreal.
     
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  8. Chop

    Chop 1,000+ Posts

    I’d say the UF team is roughly equal to #s 13-14 in this week’s poll.
     
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  9. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 500+ Posts

    I believe so unless UGA upsets LSU.
     
  10. stanhin

    stanhin 2,500+ Posts

    SEC has five in the top eleven, and then nobody else in the rest of the top 25 (or in the nine "others receiving votes")
     
  11. 22Horn

    22Horn 250+ Posts

    SEC has five in the top eleven, and then nobody else in the rest of the top 25 (or in the nine "others receiving votes")

    that alone should reveal what is known about the overall strength of the SEC; if they played 8-9 conference games, they probably would not have 5 in top 11 but they probably would have 5 in top 20-25
     
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  12. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Any one team of the bottom 9 teams of the SEC would be behind KSU in the B12 standings.
     
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  13. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    Why is isn't aggy rated in the top 25? serious question ya'll?
     
  14. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Who did they beat? Only Miss St was decent at 6-6, and KSU throttled them. Aggie and Miss St would be 8th in the B12 this year.
     
  15. Handler

    Handler 100+ Posts

    If Utah loses, I wish committee would put in Auburn. They should be rewarded for their schedule. So glad the AP poll means nothing now, the fact sportswriters put Bama over Auburn shows how dumb this poll is.
     
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  16. NorfolkVATiger

    NorfolkVATiger 100+ Posts

    Bill C's advanced metrics - which are beating the mid-week Vegas line again this year - have Texas A&M at #21.

    Only Oklahoma and Baylor in the Big 12 are higher. Iowa State is #23, Texas #29.

    Doesn't take into account injuries (Tua for example), and cares more about how you played than the final score. Also judges the entire season rather than trying to take into account "momentum", because he hasn't found a mathematical formula that improves his predictions if he tries to capture teams that are trending hot or cold.

    SP+ rankings after Week 14: Why Alabama doesn't drop after Iron Bowl loss
     
  17. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    I know, they lost to 3 teams that at one time or another were #1!
     
  18. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    My post re: "why aggy was not ranked" was dripping with sarcasm......

    Most of their 7 wins were over poor teams - Lamar, UTSA, Texas State - really? including an awful SC team. The killer was getting blown out 50-7 by LSU last game of the season.
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Final records vs. Power 5 non-conference opponents --

    SEC 9-6
    Big 12 6-4
    Pac-12 5-5
    Mountain West 9-10
    American 6-13
    Big Ten 4-5
    Sun Belt 4-8
    ACC 4-14
    C-USA 2-19
    MAC 1-21
     
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  20. slowrider

    slowrider 100+ Posts

    Sadly the committee won’t even consider this.
     
  21. I_Dont_Exist

    I_Dont_Exist 1,000+ Posts

    The SEC champion will either be 13-0 or 12-1 against a tough schedule hornfans bias notwithstanding. What is there for the committee to consider?
     
  22. slowrider

    slowrider 100+ Posts

    That besides the SEC, the Big 12 has performed better against the Power 5 conferences than the other Power 5 conferences. Just like the Big 12 defenses performed better than all other conferences during Bowl season last year. Data points like these should be changing the narrative but it is not.
     
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  23. I_Dont_Exist

    I_Dont_Exist 1,000+ Posts

    So other than the SEC the Big 12 has the best record. So the hell what? What happened last bowl season couldn't be less relevant.
     
  24. slowrider

    slowrider 100+ Posts

    Ok, so how do you determine conference strength, and IYO should conference strength be considered when teams are being ranked for playoff consideration?
     
  25. El Sapo

    El Sapo Bevo's BFF

    Cincinnati, Memphis, Appalachian State, and 2/3rds of the service academies are ranked higher than we are at the end of the regular season. We're 9...10 years into a rebuild? I'm just kinda letting this all sink in.
     
  26. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    Yup, sad to think....

    Letting 2 potential wins slip away (TCU & ISU), otherwise this team would have finished 9-3 and I suspect have been ranked somewhere in the lower half of the top 25.
     

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