Beto Does it Again

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  1. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Nearly all politicians wear out their welcome with people over time. Maybe it isn't "woke" media as much as just Abbott getting old and tiresome.
  2. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I understand completely what you are saying Sangre
    But Border Patrol agents on Wednesday opened a gate that had previously been locked by members of the Texas National Guard, in order to allow a number of illegal immigrants deeper into the United States.

    Fox News witnessed members of the guard close and lock the gate, which is situated on private property and had previously been open, to deny entry to migrants who had crossed illegally and were expecting to be allowed into the U.S.

    The illegal immigrants were then seen standing outside the gate waiting to be allowed in, with the Texas National Guard watching on.

    Yea I am really tired of Abbott trying.
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  3. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Kid is undoubtedly the smartest person in the room.
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  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    That stuff appeals to us. It doesn't appeal to the Chardonnay-sipping North Dallas suburban wife in a book club. To her, the mask was a badge of honor and righteousness. Illegals cut her grass so she doesn't have to, and because they're "brown," she can feel moral about it.
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  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I live in North Dallas
    And even a year ago you would be right..
    But things have changed and are changing.
    We will see if they have "unwoke" enough in Nov.
  6. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    Brief list of problems with Abbott, rightly or wrongly

    • 2020 mask mandate, school closure
    • 2021 winter freeze
    • 2022 Uvalde police response
  7. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    The early mandate can be justified simply because people were still figuring things was only later that we realized how FoS the CDC was, something borne out still today by the announcement of a restructuring.

    The freeze occurred under his watch due to ERCOT falling under his umbrella, but Abbott is not the one that authorized the virtual inspections. On-site inspections would have allowed people to find and fix a number of the issues which directly contributed to certain failures. And there still have not been contract-related investigations which I believe would yield the same sort of corruption that saw several ERCOT execs go to prison in the early aughts.

    And there is NOTHING Abbott could have done within the confines of the Constitution which would have prevented Uvalde or even changed the response. At some point in time, people have to simply accept that local failures are NOT on the Governor...
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  8. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I think people generally misinterpret the "right direction, wrong direction" stuff. There are some on the right that don't feel we've gone right enough and some on the left that feel we haven't gone left enough. they all get lumped into "the wrong direction" but at the end of the day the folks wanting more conservative Abbott will still end up voting for Abbott over Beto.

    His numbers are currently a little lower because of how Uvalde reignited dem's on gun control and how RvW reignited them on abortion. Each of those issues is worth 2-4% in the dem's favor.
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  9. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Being the Texas Governor is like being the QB. When things go well, you get plenty of praise you didn't really deserve. When things go poorly, you get plenty of blame you didn't really deserve.
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  10. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    My frustrations with him were not coming out strongly enough against lockdowns and vaccine mandates. He was relatively early in removing lockdowns, compared to other governors. But that isn't the only way to look at it. He never publicly showed that he had a good grasp of the data. He merely followed DeSantis. He had a chance to end his emergency powers. He didn't. He still maintains the power under a court edict to lockdown and mask all over again now 2 years later. He won't give up the power.

    Plus what he did in 2020 violated the Texas Constitution. That should be immediate grounds for removal of any governor. It was a naked power grab. I don't care if he thought he was trying to "protect me". That isn't his job. His job is to follow the constitution which he didn't. Business lockdowns can be imposed constitutionally if the legislature and due process is followed. He didn't follow it. He didn't come down hard on the big city mayors who went even further. They were violating the Texas Constitution. At the minimum he should have spoken out strongly against them.

    He did a half measure on vaccine mandates, of which I was thankful since doing nothing would have been worse. But he still didn't take a strong stance against in a way that would truly protect Texans. He was a squish that did the base level minimum to keep conservatives from going after him.

    As for the Texas electrical grid, he has allowed it to be captured by woke green SJWs. They were allowed to set up investment incentives to favor wind and solar production. Texas should be the example to the world about how great oil, gas, coal, and nuclear can be in terms of cost, reliability, and industrially. But he just sits there, literally, while ERCOT tells us to turn our thermostat up in the summer and down in the winter because they didn't plan appropriately for deployable capacity. Costs have gone up for poor Texans because of his inactivity. He isn't as bad as Francis O'Rourke. But is that really the standard Texans should have for their governor? Not as bad as the worst SJW and not as ridiculous as a fake Mexican. I would think Texans would at least demand a real ethnic Mexican for a governor instead of him. I know I would.

    Are we Texans that uncritical of our state government? Is moderate Republicanism really representative of what conservatives in Texas should accept?
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  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Lol. Yeah, he needs to get his lazy *** out of that chair.
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  12. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

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  13. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Some of the issues with the downplay of coal and nuclear are beyond gubernatorial control...the federal government gets a lot of ability to interfere courtesy of the EPA nonsense. I DO feel that the State should un-mothball a number of coal-fired plants in the wake of the SCOTUS ruling related to EPA over-reach. Some of that may require being in a new fiscal year since it won't be cheap.

    We had a permit for STx nuclear many years ago that the State never acted upon. And good luck getting the feds to approve another permit. But ALL of that predated Abbott being in Austin.

    I don't have an issue with incentives to bring businesses TO the State. And THAT is what was done with wind/solar. It remains, in my opinion, a boondoggle as far as meaningful production is concerned, but again, there are limits to what the State can do when the feds impose improper mandates.

    Costs didn't go up just for 'poor' residents. They went up for everyone. Nobody got a discount. But also remember that those who whined the most are the ones that went for the third-party plans where they KNEW they were paying market prices...they just chose to ignore that when it was inconvenient for them.

    In the interim, the smart people are investing in small natural gas trusts...the returns on those have been quite nice the past few years, and they continue to grow with the nonsense in Ukraine...
  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Of course. I get that. But that point also highlights how states need to take back their power from DC. If Abbott was a true conservative he would take steps to nullify EPA nonsense coming from DC.

    I was making the point to emphasize the effect on poor people. I can pay for higher power bills without too much pain for now but not the same for those are worse off.

    Could you provide more information on this? Is this to secure gas supply for yourself or as a financial investment? Either way I would like to get involved.
  15. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Not personal use. Just plain old stocks...I got into SJT well under $5 a share and reloaded when it dropped to around $2 and it was over $14 today, in addition to the 8-10 cents per share every month as a distribution. As long as the wells are producing, there is always going to be a payout of some sort...and now that the States are likely having to provide gas to international entities, the price of gas keeps going up, which means the distributions keep going up.

    There are others out there which are 'locally' managed and that also consistently pay out monthly or quarterly. One of the other holdings is actually an OTC stock that trades for a little over a dollar a share but still pays out a quarter a share per year. 20-25% annually? Thank you very much...

    Some of these are West Texas, NM, and even Okie gas producers...managed by local banks as opposed to some East Coast mega-office. I originally got into them when I was looking for lower cost stocks that provided regular income and didn't cost an arm and a leg to get into.
  16. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    What steps can Abbott take to nullify EPA nonsense? I am all for that.
  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Say he isn't going to enforce regulations in the state and will use state power to keep federal auditors out or will make it hard for federal agents to do anything even if they come to texas.
  18. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I think I like it!
    Which regulations should he not enforce?
    Is there a way to refuse regulators?

    Do you think any federal gov't would allow it? What if they cut off ALL fed aid?
    Could any state realistically stop tax dollars from going to IRS? Z
  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Lots of questions I don't have answers to. But I think a competent governor could come up with some.
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  20. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    Even if you don't think Abbott is "perfect," you need to consider whether Beto would be even "acceptable." So far everything I've seen from Beto screams "UNACCEPTABLE."
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  21. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

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  22. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    What the libtiles ALSO forget is that BobFrank doesn't get to rule by fiat. He needs a TxLege, which he isn't going to have supporting his nonsense. So, when the dust settles, this means we have a term of nothing happening because BobFrank won't sign off on what the TxLege sends to his desk.
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  23. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    When did I ever say anything different?
  24. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Horns6721, read this thread.

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  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    That is a really good idea and easy to implement. I would like to see it done. But don't you think there would be consequences?

    I just don't know how Gov Abbott could refuse to enforce fed gov't regs. We are either part of the USA or we are not.
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  26. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Maybe, but you have to fight back or it will just get worse.

    We are not "a part" of the USA. The state of Texas is a sovereign political entity. State nullification of Federal law is a concept the founders talked about and were very much in agreement about. This is how you check Federal power.
  27. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    States can refuse to enforce federal regulations and even laws. If the feds want to enforce them, then the feds can spend the $ on federal law enforcement and courts. This has been done before.

    Where big ugly 1865 style conflict could happen is if states actively prevented/stopped/blocked federal law enforcement from doing their jobs and enforcing federal law. A former UT Regent (and Texas Governor) did precisely this in the 1950s. And he actually won—the feds backed down, and much back-slapping and story-telling commenced among the Texas powers-that-be. Shortly thereafter, the Arkansas Governor attempted the same thing and he lost. The feds backed him down, and he gave in.
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  28. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Yes Chop. The threat is always there for conflict. But we are at a point where conflict is better than continuing to go down the path we are on.
  29. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The state can refuse to enforce any federal law they want. However, it can cost them federal money, depending on the law.

    Attempting to deny federal regulators the ability to do their jobs or the IRS's ability to enforce the tax code would trigger federal court action. If the court ruled that the federal government overstepped its authority, then problem solved. But what if it doesn't? (And on the IRS, it almost surely wouldn't, because the states were dumb as hell when they ratified the 17th Amendment, especially as it was written.) If that happens, the state can obviously capitulate. It can try to work out some kind of compromise. If no agreement can be reached and the state has the will to resist, then it becomes a matter of whose will is stronger, who's willing to use force, and how much force they're willing to use. Obviously this turn into a full scale civil war.
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  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Which accomplishes nothing.
    Voting Biden Demx etc out does.

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