Big 12 is establishing they are the best BB conference.

Discussion in 'Men’s Basketball' started by caryhorn, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. caryhorn

    caryhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Four teams from a ten team conference make it to the Sweet 16. So, doing the math I find that 40% of the conference made it to the sweet 16. Has that ever been done before? I know four teams from one conference have. But those were larger conferences. B12 is one of the smallest conferences in D-1 Basketball.

    Kudos to the Big12 Basketball programs and coaches.
     
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  2. SAMMCHornfan

    SAMMCHornfan 100+ Posts

    I think the ACC did it in 2016 when six of their teams made it to the sweet sixteen from a 15 team conference which is exactly 40 percent. I think theirs was a little more impressive since only seven teams made it to the tournament too.
     
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  3. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    and the mighty $EC (declared by Charles Barkley as the best basketball conference) with only two teams. Of course one of the $EC teams (Kentucky) will be the favorite until they lose.
     
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  4. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 500+ Posts

    I wouldn't mind seeing Kansas/Kansas State in the final game, just for the heck of it.

    Likewise, Texas Tech/Texas A$M.

    It could happen

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  5. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    It was pretty hilarious watching Barkley keep putting all those black marks on his bracket before the Auburn game (he came as close as I've seen to getting every single game wrong), and right after that Clemson basically doing the equivalent of dunking in his face and hanging on the rim while pointing and laughing at him for picking Auburn.

    I guess that's what happens when you try to be a commentator on a sport that you pay basically no attention to until the tournament starts.
     
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  6. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Isn't that less impressive? Same % of teams in the top 16, but greater % of teams not even in the top 64?
     
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  7. SAMMCHornfan

    SAMMCHornfan 100+ Posts

    Not necessarily. Maybe they should have had more that year, who knows. But since only 7 teams did make it to the tourney and 6 made it to the sweet 16, well, you can read into it anyway you like. It was only my opinion, and I am sticking to it. Not expecting everyone to agree either.
     
  8. caryhorn

    caryhorn 2,500+ Posts

    I think OSU from the Big12 should have been in, which would have been 8 of 10 . They had a great case. Good record against top 50 teams. Swept KU in the regular season, etc.
     
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  9. caryhorn

    caryhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Its 11:30 pm Friday and TTU just kicked Purdue's asss and will go to the Elite Eight for the first time in school history. The way Beard has put his team together, and the way they play on both ends of the court, and in all situations: fast breaking, half court offense, hitting their FT's, is Impressive.

    And the Big 12 has three teams in the Elite Eight. Three teams in the Elite Eight is really strong! This removes any doubt about this being the best BB conference in the country. Big congrats to KU, TTU and KSU. And wvu played really well also. Their loss to Nova was closer than the final score indicated.

    I think with the coaches in the league now, & the BB hotbeds emerging in Houston and DFW that it will remain at the top for awhile.
     
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  10. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 5,000+ Posts

    We really need to take advantage, and we don't seem to be doing so.
     
  11. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    but ESPN and Charles Barclay say it is the $EC, $EC, $EC???
     
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  12. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    I’ve been pretty content with the recruiting classes we’ve been getting the last few years. I don’t think Texas will be able to pull in the top tier state guys as long as top tier out of state schools keep going after them, and as long as we aren’t a team that can make deep tournament runs or win conference championships.

    Penders put us on the map with his east coast connections and fast paced system. Tom got Terrence Rencher (who I think is still our all time leading scorer?) then Reggie Freeman, both from the Bronx. I think the national pub around the Reggie Freeman-Felipe Lopez recruiting battle and three tournament runs with Reggie (one Sweet 16) gave Texas a national recruiting buzz they’d never really had before. Texas schools just weren’t getting guys from the east coast back then and certainly not guys from south Bronx. Here Penders was, getting two. Then Tom got lazy, or maybe just opportunitstic. At one point before he left, his lineup was mostly recruits he got from Austin ISD and Eanes ISD with Clack, Vasquez, Mihm, and Axtell. Then that all unraveled.

    Barnes recruiting was an anomaly to me as well. The Findlay Prep pipeline he established was huge but it created a “too many cooks” scenario he couldn’t control. His ability to teach PG’s defense and prove up big men and get them ready for the NBA was really his feather; his angle; and it helped recruit guys like Durant, Aldridge, Thompson and Turner and gave the program credibility to land Jarret Allen and Mo. But I think that legacy left with him. After Mo, I don’t see premier one and done NBA bigs giving us the time of day again. Every coach and team has to have an angle on recruiting: a culture of winning may be the best angle and you can’t win if you can’t coach. Period.

    Chris Beard is a prime case study for how coaching really makes the difference. He’s got a bunch of 2-3 star players and look what he has them doing...K-State is another one. I’m of the opinion that it matters less how prolific a young talent is or how many stars he has if he isn’t developed and coached properly.
     
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  13. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 2,500+ Posts

    Cary,

    Are you suggesting that Beard has a plan and implements it? Novel concept, but not sure it will catch on. Do you like that better than throw the five out on the court and tell them "just win"?
     
  14. caryhorn

    caryhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Yes, Sabre, I know it sounds strange. Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I'm sure hoping that Beard's oddly successful approach (I think they call it "coaching them up") will catch on one day in Austin, Texas.
     
  15. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    And then there was one....

    I need Duke to beat KU so I can win $300 so, hopefully no Big 12 squads in the final four. But man, what a great showing by our conference this season.
     
  16. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Awful call to foul out a Duke player in OT, wow. He had position and just stood there and got run over.
     
  17. Dionysus

    Dionysus Admin Moderator

    KU-Duke is good basketball
     
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  18. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

    FINAL Kansas 85 Duke 81.
     
  19. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    Grayson Allen's .231% shooting was a huge let down; including the missed finger roll at the end that would have won Duke the game. I expected a lot more from him considering, but, I guess he was due for a bum performance. Good for KU for sticking to hard nosed basketball down the stretch. Go Big 12.
     
  20. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 1,000+ Posts

    this is a nail on the head point.
     
  21. Htown77

    Htown77 2,500+ Posts

    Have to agree. I was down on the Big 12 this year. I have no idea how we managed a losing record against the SEC, however, the Big 12 did establish itself as the best conference with its postseason (in-spite of UT, OU and TCU).
     
  22. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    That is an ESPN deal. The intent is to schedule the stronger $EC team against a slightly weaker Big XII team by location. This keeps up the $EC, $EC, $EC narrative.
     
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  23. utempire

    utempire 500+ Posts

    Great year for the Big 12. With Andrew healthy I think we had a sweet 16 team.
     
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  24. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Have to give it to Bill Self and Kansas - this was as ordinary a Kansas team as I've seen in several years (not that they weren't good, by any stretch!), and yet they're going to the Final Four.
     
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  25. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Self seems to do better with his good teams than his great ones.
     

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