Can anyone justify NOT having the Wall?

[Horn6721]

Viper
Yes but I am hoping we can make enough changes, find ways to have a vetted temp worker program and cut off any benefits to illegals so coming legally will be better than sneaking in

 

[ViperHorn]

There is a guest worker program in California that works fine.

The laws on the books are fine. The question is how many from each country do we let in and what type of protection we have against chain migration.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Man illegally immigrates from Brazil. He loses wife and kids in the Darien gap. Dems allowed this to happen just so they can stay in power. Despicable.

Coyotes Are Smuggling Migrants out of the United States

A growing number of illegal migrants are smuggling themselves home to avoid the legal penalties of government deportations.

www.breitbart.com

A lot to that article...

1. Self-deportation has always been plausible when you take away the illegal immigration enticements. Dem's did this to us, but business owners were willing to go along for cheaper labor and more consumers.
2. I think Fink is right about population decline. I don't think it is near the doomsday scenario that many do. Much of the pop decline will be offset by automation and AI type gains. In my opinion, we still have to worry about too much work getting automated and there not being enough human work even with a declining population.

 

[nashhorn]

Remember really robots do not make fica or SS payments.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

There is a guest worker program in California that works fine.

The laws on the books are fine. The question is how many from each country do we let in and what type of protection we have against chain migration.

IMO, the way you solve this is....
1. Our immigration quotas should be derived by real wage growth. If aggregate real wages are growing too fast then that likely means we do need workers in the form of immigration. If unemployment is high and/or real wages are declining, then you don't have a shortage and you lower the immigration quotas.
2. The business owners' foot the bill for immigration. something like the H1B where the employer has to sponsor a specific immigrant by first putting some amount into the immigration system to process said immigrant. If the business owner is willing to foot the bill, then it likely means they really are in need of an employee.
3. You make "asylum" a much higher bar. The vast majority are trying to escape poverty, not actual persecution.

 

[Gylcomer]

Poland is building a wall. They have a neighboring enemy.

Mexico is an enemy.

The Reconquista is underway

A wall is better than an invisible line.

 

[Run Pincher]

Remember really robots do not make fica or SS payments.

It the dims win the WH again they'll be making those along with income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, electrical taxes and child taxes.

 

[ViperHorn]

IMO, the way you solve this is....
1. Our immigration quotas should be derived by real wage growth. If aggregate real wages are growing too fast then that likely means we do need workers in the form of immigration. If unemployment is high and/or real wages are declining, then you don't have a shortage and you lower the immigration quotas.
2. The business owners' foot the bill for immigration. something like the H1B where the employer has to sponsor a specific immigrant by first putting some amount into the immigration system to process said immigrant. If the business owner is willing to foot the bill, then it likely means they really are in need of an employee.
3. You make "asylum" a much higher bar. The vast majority are trying to escape poverty, not actual persecution.

You have some good ideas, but they are way to complicated for the average American (including all politicians).

 

[VYFan]

You have some good ideas, but they are way to complicated for the average American (including all politicians).

Wasn’t it George Carlin with the bit…
“I want you to imagine how DUMB the average American is. Okay now let it sink in that HALF of all Americans are dumber than that!”

 

[Mr. Deez]

3. You make "asylum" a much higher bar. The vast majority are trying to escape poverty, not actual persecution.

Maybe, but I'm not sure how many are actually being granted asylum. I suspect most are using the asylum claim to avoid or delay deportation and get released into the country, where they go off the grid.

One thing - asylum shouldn't automatically mean permanent residence or citizenship. If things settle down in their home countries, they should be sent home unless they have some other basis to be in the US. I'd give reasonable notice to set their affairs in order, but I would send them home. For example, if you were a Bosnian refugee in the late 90s, there's no reason for you to be in the United States today.

 

[Horn6721]

Mr D
I agree but you know then the cry will be "But they have made their life here had children" etc

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Mr D
I agree but you know then the cry will be "But they have made their life here had children" etc

Maybe we should retitle this as "temporary asylum" and then ensure that it is referenced that way in every publication, and reference in the future. In other words, we never say "asylum" without also using the caveat of "temporary". Or maybe, the asylum grant should automatically come with a sunset provision that causes it to be reviewed after 3 years or so.

 

[mchammer]

 

[HornHuskerDad]

^That's a big bunch of Undocumented Democrats!

 

[LonghornCatholic]

 

[LonghornCatholic]

 

[mchammer]

 

[Horn6721]

The question is Who was behind destroying our during bidone years?

 

[mchammer]

The question is Who was behind destroying our during bidone years?

Soros.

 

[Horn6721]

You are most likely right
He would have had a lot of Dems helping
Stunning to think that many people didn't care our country was being destroyed

 

[Mr. Deez]

You are most likely right
He would have had a lot of Dems helping
Stunning to think that many people didn't care our country was being destroyed

If you teach everybody that America is evil, they won't care if it's destroyed.

 

[mchammer]

If you teach everybody that America is evil, they won't care if it's destroyed.

I for one will welcome our Chinese overlords.

 

[Monahorns]

Elites commonly admit all the mistakes they have allowed when they are out of power or near death. They enact horrible policies when they are in power. Maybe they have a crisis of conscience. Eisenhower did it after he built up the MIC.

I think their admissions are true. We should listen to them and hold today's leaders accountable.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I for one will welcome our Chinese overlords.

And I assume Garmel digs the Pacific Rimjob. . .

 

[Horn6721]

Great!! New Dallas Police Chief Daniel Comeaux says Dallas will no longer be a sanctuary city. They will follow the law and aid ICE as law allows

 

[HornHuskerDad]

Dallas will no longer be a sanctuary city. They will follow the law and aid ICE as law allows

Great if it happens. I have zero confidence in the leaders in Dallas, but it will be great if they will line up behind this statement.

 

[Horn6721]

Mayor Johnson voted Against a city council declaration condemning Texas SB 4, which declared there could be no sanctuary cities, that local police should cooperate with ICE and to close the border.
That the Mayor by voting against condemning SB4 was kinda big. Now the police chief echoes him on sanctuary status and announcing cooperation with ICE sounds pretty good to me

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]