Can anyone really justify the Wall?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    I think I stated that the rules aren't properly enforced, so more rules against employers is not the solution.

    Again, the solution is to stop the illegals at the border, and that is the government's job.
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Sounds like the 'caravan' is back on the move
    Mexico gave them all 30 day passes
    And someone has paid to bus them all the Mexico City for a rally (the organizers are 'People Without Borders')
    Their plan is to demand free asylum in the US, which the system Obama left behind could allow, while calling Americans racists

    One caravaner, who lived illegally in Atlanta for a year before he was deported in 2013 says ....

    'Trump is crazy. He's racist. The National Guard doesn't worry me, it's all bulls**t.' 'I'll be reunited with my family. See you soon Mr President.'
  3. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    yep. They get hosed in these situations. Their role is to be a supplementary force in times of real need. Making the Guard/Reserve pawns in a political stunt is crap.

    And it has a real impact on their lives and employability. Doing it for political points ticks me off.
  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    How bout we see what actually happens before we walk the plank?
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  7. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts

    Static analysis. Almost always wrong.
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    The fact that the GOP doesn't win Asians shows gross incompetence on their part. Democrats screw with Asians more directly and to a greater degree than any political party screws with any ethnic group. Attracting Asians to the GOP should be pretty easy. The fact that they don't have a major outreach program to Asians is really stupid.
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  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Wut happened?

  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Politics. Just like the R's being fiscal conservatives during the Obama adminstration then playing Monopoly man when they take up residence in the White House.
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Bill Galston is a former Clintonista who now writes for the Brookings Institute. Liberals today consider him a "moderate" (which most of you probably already know how to translate).

    He does not like "populism." He wrote something for his fellow leftists on how to stave off the wave of populism around the globe. He notes that most of the world instinctively embraces the idea of national sovereignty as an international organizing principle -- so leftists in the US and the rest of the West must embrace it too, if not populism will prevail. He advises that they embrace prudential policies that drain the energy from populism.

    "Post-election analyses show that concerns about immigration largely drove the Brexit referendum, the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and the gains of far-right parties across Europe."

    "Liberal democrats must make their peace with national sovereignty."

    I dont think liberals are capable of doing this. The bulk of them are not smart enough. But really what struck me as the most amazing thing is that most Republican politicians dont get this either. This is something they should all grasp instinctively yet most do not.
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  12. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Note that the Democrats are on the wrong side of both issues.
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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Carlson asks the right questions

  15. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    When is it too many? What would be acceptable to the Liberals?

    Also I get sick and tired of hear "they are here at no fault of their own." I have sh8t happen to me all the time that's no fault of my own. I accept it and move on. Kids lose their criminal father "no fault of their own" So should we not send criminals to prison because it's not the kids fault? How about the wall doesn't work because it doesn't stop all of the prison inmates. So that thinking must mean that if a prison fence doesn't hold all the inmates inside because a few escape that we shouldn't have a fence? I swear we hear some of the most idiotic things from the liberals.
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  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    According to the DHS and DPS, over 251,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011, and April 30, 2018. They have been charged for a total of 663,000 offenses including:

    1,351 homicides;
    7,156 sexual assaults;
    9,938 weapons charges;
    79,049 assaults;
    18,685 burglaries;
    79,900 drug charges;
    815 kidnappings;
    44,882 thefts;
    4,292 robberies

    Law enforcement actions have resulted in 296,000 convictions. The DHS has confirmed that 66% of those convicted were illegal aliens.
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  18. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Can anyone argue against this"
    "Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “Every crime committed by an illegal alien is, by definition, a crime that should have been prevented,” he said in the press release. “It is outrageous that tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year because of the drugs and violence brought over our borders illegally and that taxpayers have been forced, year after year, to pay millions of dollars to incarcerate tens of thousands of illegal aliens.”

    Good grief:rolleyes1:
    "There are several thousand more suspected but unconfirmed non-citizens in custody. "
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    More than half of non-citizen children/teens are on Welfare. And nearly half of all the adults --

    "More than half of all non-citizen children and teens in the United States are receiving taxpayer-funded welfare, mostly Medicaid, while nearly half of all non-citizen adults legally in the country are on welfare, according to a new report.

    In a just-released study of welfare use by U.S. born Americans, naturalized citizens and non-citizen aliens, the Migration Policy Institute found that of the 22 million non-citizens in the country, 10.3 million are one at least welfare program.

    The report said that 54.2 percent of children and teens up to age 17 receive at least one of four major public welfare benefits while its 46.3 percent for those aged 18-54 and 47.8 for older aliens.
  20. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

  21. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I would be ok with verified so called Dreamers gettng permanent legal status but absolutely not citizenship.
    I would want the verification process to be really comprehensive.
  22. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    age 4 years

  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Latest polling on this - and this pollster is a Clintonista

    "84% of Americans support turning undocumented immigrants over to authorities"

    "Prominent Democratic pollster Mark Penn said on Thursday that a vast majority of Americans don’t really support so-called sanctuary cities that shield immigrants in the country illegally from deportation.

    Penn, who served as chief strategist for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, revealed that 84 percent of Americans favor turning undocumented immigrants over to federal agents.

    “I asked them, ‘Do you think notifying ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] would in fact increase crime because it would inhibit people from reporting crimes or does it decrease crimes because it takes criminals off the street,’ and they overwhelming said ‘decrease,’ ” Penn told Hill.TV's “Rising.”...."
  25. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    If they would have included Democrats in that poll the results would have been different.
  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  28. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    Has anyone ever seen a poll were Republicans are over-sampled? I sure haven't.
  29. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

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  30. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Edit: Dreaded double post.

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